Steve Haskin;s Top Derby Contendars

Originally Posted by Independent George

Zito went from "an average trainer at best" to a "low-life scum" in about 10 minutes.
I'm reporting this to the Italian-American Anti-Defamation League.

Capisce ????

His training abilities are average and as a person he is a low life scum. Just my opinion.

[Scav]

Originally Posted by eurobounce

His training abilities are average and as a person he is a low life scum. Just my opinion.

What experience do you have with Zito where you could call him a low life scum. Fact is, FROM ALL ACCOUNTS, from people that I know, that know him and from his interviews, he seems like a heck of a person and a person I would love to chill with at the track......

And, from what I have observed, his horses are always well managed and taken care of.

Originally Posted by Scav

What experience do you have with Zito where you could call him a low life scum. Fact is, FROM ALL ACCOUNTS, from people that I know, that know him and from his interviews, he seems like a heck of a person and a person I would love to chill with at the track......

And, from what I have observed, his horses are always well managed and taken care of.

I will say his horses are taken care of very well. I will never deny his passion and love for horses. That part about him is something to admire. However, I think his training ability (able to get his horses ready, able to figure out how to improve a horse etc etc is whats avg). All I am going to say is that there have been several times where I have seen Zito be less than a man. Not only to me but to other people. That is all. But his love for horses and passion for the game is great.

[Scav]

Originally Posted by eurobounce

I will say his horses are taken care of very well. I will never deny his passion and love for horses. That part about him is something to admire. However, I think his training ability (able to get his horses ready, able to figure out how to improve a horse etc etc is whats avg). All I am going to say is that there have been several times where I have seen Zito be less than a man. Not only to me but to other people. That is all. But his love for horses and passion for the game is great.

So he is a part of the Playa's club, you don't have your card yet? I got mine when I was 14

[GPK]

Originally Posted by Scav

So he is a part of the Playa's club, you don't have your card yet? I got mine when I was 14

yet the card was then suspended at 15....

[Scav]

Originally Posted by T3B

yet the card was then suspended at 15....

Man, I am proud of you. YOU ARE FINALLY LEARNING how to bust balls properly. Might get you a cookie....

[GPK]

Originally Posted by Scav

Man, I am proud of you. YOU ARE FINALLY LEARNING how to bust balls properly. Might get you a cookie....

been busting balls before you even had a set of them

[stonegossard]

Originally Posted by eurobounce

I will say his horses are taken care of very well. I will never deny his passion and love for horses. That part about him is something to admire. However, I think his training ability (able to get his horses ready, able to figure out how to improve a horse etc etc is whats avg). All I am going to say is that there have been several times where I have seen Zito be less than a man. Not only to me but to other people. That is all. But his love for horses and passion for the game is great.

I met him at GP last year. Was a cool guy. Actually suprised he took the time to have a conversation with me (a guy he never met). Not sure what your beef with the guy is. As far as a trainer....you are right...he is average...only won 2 Kentucky Derbies.....gimme a friggin break....

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by Scav

What experience do you have with Zito where you could call him a low life scum. Fact is, FROM ALL ACCOUNTS, from people that I know, that know him and from his interviews, he seems like a heck of a person and a person I would love to chill with at the track......

And, from what I have observed, his horses are always well managed and taken care of.

I'd elaborate on this...at the '05 Kee Sept sale I walked up to him and asked about a horse in his care. He was elated that someone he didn't know actually cared that much to stop and ask and thanked me for being a fan of the horse. I'm willing to bet that most any trainer in the industry would not have been so nice or willing to give me a full account of a horse as Zito did.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by Sightseek

I'd elaborate on this...at the '05 Kee Sept sale I walked up to him and asked about a horse in his care. He was elated that someone he didn't know actually cared that much to stop and ask and thanked me for being a fan of the horse. I'm willing to bet that most any trainer in the industry would not have been so nice or willing to give me a full account of a horse as Zito did.

It probably helped that you're a hot babe too, right?

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

It probably helped that you're a hot babe too, right?

Took the words right out of my mouth--lol.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by eurobounce

Took the words right out of my mouth--lol.

I was just joking around with her... I've never met Zito, so I don't know how he is in real life.

[Scav]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

I have a feeling Euro hasn't either. And is being a ladies man that bad. I mean it hasn't changed anyone's opinion of Kev for being a ladies man.

I need confirmation of such opinions......

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

It probably helped that you're a hot babe too, right?

LOL, the night of the twilight racing card he did very obviously check me out as I walked by, but men will be men, as we both very well know. Seriously though, he was very nice and honest when I asked him about one of his horses. Most trainers won't give people the time of day unless they think you own a horse.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by Sightseek

LOL, the night of the twilight racing card he did very obviously check me out as I walked by, but men will be men, as we both very well know. Seriously though, he was very nice and honest when I asked him about one of his horses. Most trainers won't give people the time of day unless they think you own a horse.

Agreed... Nascar guys are the same. Unless you're on the team, they won't give you the time of day to talk about racing and there are only a few exceptions.

[blackthroatedwind]

Nick Zito doesn't need me to defend him, and as he is a very good friend of mine I am obviously biased, but I will say that no other racing figure is more generous with his time with fans than he is. Not only at the races, where regardless of what he is doing he stops to talk to everyone that asks for his time, but also in his personal time. Closing night of the Saratoga meet a man came by our dinner table and talked to Nick for quite a while, not only having him sign his program, but also calling a friend on his cell phone and putting Nick on to the friend. Not only did Nick graciously do all this but after the man left he joked about how much fun that was.

It's the racetrack, and there are a million stories, and I'm sure everyone of us has done things we regret, but Nick Zito is as good an ambassador for the game as any figure working in racing. I think Eurobounce has made it clear he doesn't like him. Is this board really the place we all need to air our personal grievances about racing figures?

[GPK]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Nick Zito doesn't need me to defend him, and as he is a very good friend of mine I am obviously biased, but I will say that no other racing figure is more generous with his time with fans than he is. Not only at the races, where regardless of what he is doing he stops to talk to everyone that asks for his time, but also in his personal time. Closing night of the Saratoga meet a man came by our dinner table and talked to Nick for quite a while, not only having him sign his program, but also calling a friend on his cell phone and putting Nick on to the friend. Not only did Nick graciously do all this but after the man left he joked about how much fun that was.

It's the racetrack, and there are a million stories, and I'm sure everyone of us has done things we regret, but Nick Zito is as good an ambassador for the game as any figure working in racing. I think Eurobounce has made it clear he doesn't like him. Is this board really the place we all need to air our personal grievances about racing figures?

dumbass rides by jocks excluded of course??

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Nick Zito doesn't need me to defend him, and as he is a very good friend of mine I am obviously biased, but I will say that no other racing figure is more generous with his time with fans than he is. Not only at the races, where regardless of what he is doing he stops to talk to everyone that asks for his time, but also in his personal time. Closing night of the Saratoga meet a man came by our dinner table and talked to Nick for quite a while, not only having him sign his program, but also calling a friend on his cell phone and putting Nick on to the friend. Not only did Nick graciously do all this but after the man left he joked about how much fun that was.

It's the racetrack, and there are a million stories, and I'm sure everyone of us has done things they regret, but Nick Zito is as good an ambassador for the game as any figure working in racing. I think Eurobounce has made it clear he doesn't like him. Is this board really the place we all need to air our personal grievances about racing figures?

No, we definitely do NOT need to be doing that as many racing figures frequent this board and it's not polite to state negative opinions concerning others. PERIOD.

I hope I get the chance to meet Nick someday, but in the meantime, I'll see him in a positive light because his horses look to be well taken care of and I've never heard a negative thing about him (with the exception of Eurobounce's opinion of him.)

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

but Nick Zito is as good an ambassador for the game as any figure working in racing.

Quite Frankly,

He reminds me of an Italianized version of Stephen A. Smith when he does television interviews.

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Nick Zito doesn't need me to defend him, and as he is a very good friend of mine I am obviously biased, but I will say that no other racing figure is more generous with his time with fans than he is. Not only at the races, where regardless of what he is doing he stops to talk to everyone that asks for his time, but also in his personal time. Closing night of the Saratoga meet a man came by our dinner table and talked to Nick for quite a while, not only having him sign his program, but also calling a friend on his cell phone and putting Nick on to the friend. Not only did Nick graciously do all this but after the man left he joked about how much fun that was.

It's the racetrack, and there are a million stories, and I'm sure everyone of us has done things we regret, but Nick Zito is as good an ambassador for the game as any figure working in racing. I think Eurobounce has made it clear he doesn't like him. Is this board really the place we all need to air our personal grievances about racing figures?

andy -- with any past or future disagreements aside, this is without a doubt my favorite post on Derby Trail in some time. Thanks for the story about Nick -- I've always found him to be more agreeable on TV (for what it's worth) than most trainers, and your story seems to back up everything I've ever thought about him. It's nice to know that there are people who don't just mug for the camera, but are genuinely good people when it comes down to the little everyday things.