Secret Oath

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by v j stauffer

I didn't think the ride in the Arkansas Derby was that horrible. Seemed to me like he'd had it beaten into his head not to move to early. He probably waited too long. It could very well have cost him second. Nobody that's ever ridden would have got her up to beat CYBERKNIFE that day.

It was a dreadful ride. He made the opposite move that Florent did when he effectively won the race on the backstretch, losing valuable position when the race was slowing down....and then rushing wide on the turn. He also gave up position around the first turn that ended up putting him in bad position thereafter.

She likely would have finished second, but there is an outside chance she could have won, and all of these things were the rider's fault. I'm not trying to crucify him, as these things happen, but to suggest his ride in Arkansas Derby wasn't poor is to fail to acknowledge what happened in the race.

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

It was a dreadful ride. He made the opposite move that Florent did when he effectively won the race on the backstretch, losing valuable position when the race was slowing down....and then rushing wide on the turn. He also gave up position around the first turn that ended up putting him in bad position thereafter.

She likely would have finished second, but there is an outside chance she could have won, and all of these things were the rider's fault. I'm not trying to crucify him, as these things happen, but to suggest his ride in Arkansas Derby wasn't poor is to fail to acknowledge what happened in the race.

I said that it wasn't horrible in that I didn't think she would have won.

I agree he shouldn't have given up the position he had at the half mile pole.

You can even hear in my call. I couldn't believe that was her 3 lengths last at the 3/8th's pole.

As I've said that struck me as a jock who had been told not to move too early and didn't think on his feet enough to change tactics when circumstances dictated.

Could it have been better? 100% yes. Was it a travesty? That in my mind would only apply if I thought he cost her the win which I don't.

[blackthroatedwind]

It's not about resulting that she probably wouldn't have won, and it does matter that he absolutely cost her a placing ( look at the ride the eventual runner up got in relative terms ). The reality is it could very easily have cost her the race. That's what matters.

It was a poor ride in a number of ways. That's all that matters.

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

It's not about resulting that she probably wouldn't have won, and it does matter that he absolutely cost her a placing ( look at the ride the eventual runner up got in relative terms ). The reality is it could very easily have cost her the race. That's what matters.

It was a poor ride in a number of ways. That's all that matters.

We both agree the ride was poor. But to varying degrees and different severity of the effect.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by v j stauffer

We both agree the ride was poor. But to varying degrees and different severity of the effect.

Less than 30 minutes ago you posted this....

Originally Posted by v j stauffer

I didn't think the ride in the Arkansas Derby was that horrible.

So you have changed your mind. Nothing wrong with that.

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Less than 30 minutes ago you posted this....



So you have changed your mind. Nothing wrong with that.

"Not that horrible" means somewhat horrible. But not tragic.

There is no change in what I'm saying.