Get us out...or CNN out

[MinnSkinny]

Yep, collateral damage has happened in every war ever fought, and to think it's no different here is folly. There has been plenty already. My point is we are handcuffed in this campaign and we cannot realistically win this if every troop is looking over his shoulder at CNN while he tries to defend himself and his fellow troops while he takes care of business. War is ugly, and winning one is ugly, there is nothing fair about it. I have seen it thru my own eyes, and defense does not win this, only offense stops their effort, and blood will be shed doing it. When we stop them cold, we can come home.

[GPK]

Rule of War #1....there are no rules in war....

[MinnSkinny]

He told me we quit the "shock & awe" methods we had used earlier, and he's right. We don't win when they're launching from the mosque and we just dodge bullets. Win ugly, or gtf out. Let's decide before any more kids are lost for no good reason. Never thought I would see it this way, but there is too much indecision for me to see it any other way, at least for now.

[MinnSkinny]

Win ugly, or gtf out. Let's decide before any more kids are lost for no good reason. Never thought I would see it this way, but there is too much indecision for me to see it any other way, at least for now.[/quote]

Wow, I thought this thread had run its course, and it probably has or should, but I want to clarify what I was trying to say. Stretch, Risk, et al, I said "win ugly", and that's different in my own mind than win "dirty". I guess ugly to me means annihalation of the enemy factions, beyond recovery, with no means of further reprisal, and with no more risk to the Iraqi population of civilians, women, and children. Total surrender,and probably impossible to achieve. Win Dirty, as win ugly was interpreted, must mean rape to some, and that is not what I meant. I could not support that, ever, under any circumstance.

[Downthestretch55]

Originally Posted by MinnSkinny

Win ugly, or gtf out. Let's decide before any more kids are lost for no good reason. Never thought I would see it this way, but there is too much indecision for me to see it any other way, at least for now.

Wow, I thought this thread had run its course, and it probably has or should, but I want to clarify what I was trying to say. Stretch, Risk, et al, I said "win ugly", and that's different in my own mind than win "dirty". I guess ugly to me means annihalation of the enemy factions, beyond recovery, with no means of further reprisal, and with no more risk to the Iraqi population of civilians, women, and children. Total surrender,and probably impossible to achieve. Win Dirty, as win ugly was interpreted, must mean rape to some, and that is not what I meant. I could not support that, ever, under any circumstance.[/quote]
Minn,
Thanks for the clarification.
Sorry to say, this one is not a win. Ugly or handsome...ain't happening.
Bush has about 11 senators that support the surge.
Murtha has the best take on this. He was a decorated marine, and is looking out for the best interests of our brave military on their mission impossible.
He also holds a key position. Listen to him.
I also want what he advocates. That's my support.
DTS