FBI Raids at Calder and Palm Meadows

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by moses

Ugh. I’m struggling with this because a large part of me really doesn’t want to accept that people could be so terrible.

They are. Most gazillionaires are. Time to cope with that reality my man.

[moses]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

They are. Most gazillionaires are. Time to cope with that reality my man.

I’ve been going back and forth. My initial thought was “they knew.” I’ve probably overthought it.

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by moses

I’ve been going back and forth. My initial thought was “they knew.” I’ve probably overthought it.

I think Ateam hit the nail on the head saying they might not have known the specifics, but they knew they were doing something to get an edge.

I get that the West’s are very philanthropic but they’ve employed guys like Cole Norman in the past. Not to speak ill of the dead but he won at an obscene rate and before he went to prison for 9 months for negligent homicide he was facing a lengthy suspension for carbon dioxide violations.

They like to win. Period.

[ScottJ]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

I think Ateam hit the nail on the head saying they might not have known the specifics, but they knew they were doing something to get an edge.

I get that the West’s are very philanthropic but they’ve employed guys like Cole Norman in the past. Not to speak ill of the dead but he won at an obscene rate and before he went to prison for 9 months for negligent homicide he was facing a lengthy suspension for carbon dioxide violations.

They like to win. Period.

I will say it one more time. Forget about the Wests - no one gave a damn about them in New York. What about Michael Dubb? That's the lightening rod.

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by ScottJ

I will say it one more time. Forget about the Wests - no one gave a damn about them in New York. What about Michael Dubb? That's the lightening rod.

I don’t disagree.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

I don’t disagree.

Dubb is supposed to know better. Winning is a lot more fun than losing

[parsixfarms]

Originally Posted by freddymo

Dubb is supposed to know better. Winning is a lot more fun than losing

But he doesn't. Aside from a rather brief time when he used Joe Orseno about 15 years ago, Dubb's primary New York trainer has always been among the "suspects of the day." Against this backdrop, it is very disappointing when media who are supposed to know better try to portray him and the other "juice owners" that comprise the clientele of trainers like Servis and Navarro as "sharp" when the reality is that they are the game's more ethically challenged owners.

I'd love to have someone ask Mike Repole why he starting using Rudy and Navarro in the past year. Trying to keep up with the Dubbs?