Chad Brown wow 😳

[Konk]

What no H&R Block's in NYC?
IF the laws are not clear, time to hire someone.
Like millions of other small businesses do all the time.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by Konk

What no H&R Block's in NYC?
IF the laws are not clear, time to hire someone.
Like millions of other small businesses do all the time.

I think this is more of a case of the government deciding that they are going to start enforcing laws that they haven't enforced in the past. If they wanted to, they could do the same thing to millions of Americans. For example, most of us have had a housekeeper. Assuming that the housekeeper comes once a week or even once every two weeks, you are supposed to verify that she may legally work in the United States. The reality is that a high percentage of housekeepers are not here legally. The government could technically come after anyone who has employed a housekeeper that is not here legally.

In addition, you are technically supposed to withhold Social Security and Medicare tax from your housekeeper. Practically nobody does that. The government could come after you for that if they wanted to.

Anyway, if the government starts enforcing something out of nowhere, it's going to catch everyone off guard. I think that is the case with these trainers.

[Alabama Stakes]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

I think this is more of a case of the government deciding that they are going to start enforcing laws that they haven't enforced in the past. If they wanted to, they could do the same thing to millions of Americans. For example, most of us have had a housekeeper. Assuming that the housekeeper comes once a week or even once every two weeks, you are supposed to verify that she may legally work in the United States. The reality is that a high percentage of housekeepers are not here legally. The government could technically come after anyone who has employed a housekeeper that is not here legally.

In addition, you are technically supposed to withhold Social Security and Medicare tax from your housekeeper. Practically nobody does that. The government could come after you for that if they wanted to.

Anyway, if the government starts enforcing something out of nowhere, it's going to catch everyone off guard. I think that is the case with these trainers.

Are you f ing kidding me?
“Most of us have had a housekeeper? “ really ? I thought most of us cleaned our own freaking house. It’s not that difficult unless you’re a total f ing lazy slob or have money to burn. To insinuate that housekeepers are illegal aliens because that’s their profession is disrespectful. It is good honest work. Furthermore, to suggest that those employing said housekeepers knowingly break the law in doing so is absurd.

Is the defense here, “ oh, I didn’t know ? “ or simply, it’s the way it’s always been done.

[Dunbar]

Originally Posted by Alabama Stakes

Are you f ing kidding me?
“Most of us have had a housekeeper? “ really ? I thought most of us cleaned our own freaking house. It’s not that difficult unless you’re a total f ing lazy slob or have money to burn.

Really? How about if you would just rather spend your time doing other things than cleaning the house? "money to burn"? If you bet on horses, is that having "money to burn"? Personally, my wife and I would rather pay someone $50 to spend 2-3 hours cleaning our house than do it ourselves.

To insinuate that housekeepers are illegal aliens because that’s their profession is disrespectful. It is good honest work.

I agree. For sure it's "good honest work". And Rupert's "high percentage of" should have been "some".

Furthermore, to suggest that those employing said housekeepers knowingly break the law in doing so is absurd.

Where did Rupert say anything about those employers "knowingly" breaking the law?

[Alabama Stakes]

When he said practically no one holds back social security or Medicare tax, knowing that they should. To me that is knowingly . They know they should , but don’t.p

[cal828]

I think this is a case of going after the "big or bigger fish." I doubt that the Department of Labor has enough personnel to go after private citizens that knowingly break the law in this instance. Seems like I remember some US Representatives or Senators or Supreme Court Justices that got in trouble for this sort of thing, but can't remember who they were.

[Dunbar]

Originally Posted by Alabama Stakes

When he said practically no one holds back social security or Medicare tax, knowing that they should. To me that is knowingly . They know they should , but don’t.p

Except that Rupert didn't say that at all. What he said was:

"In addition, you are technically supposed to withhold Social Security and Medicare tax from your housekeeper. Practically nobody does that."

There's no "knowingly" implication that I can see.

[jms62]

Originally Posted by Dunbar

Except that Rupert didn't say that at all. What he said was:

"In addition, you are technically supposed to withhold Social Security and Medicare tax from your housekeeper. Practically nobody does that."

There's no "knowingly" implication that I can see.

Someone who comes every couple weeks to clean your house or cut your grass or whatever isn’t your employee. He/she is an independent contractor responsible for their own taxes. Rupert is confused with someone that is there every day and you are their only customer.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by Alabama Stakes

Are you f ing kidding me?
“Most of us have had a housekeeper? “ really ? I thought most of us cleaned our own freaking house. It’s not that difficult unless you’re a total f ing lazy slob or have money to burn. To insinuate that housekeepers are illegal aliens because that’s their profession is disrespectful. It is good honest work. Furthermore, to suggest that those employing said housekeepers knowingly break the law in doing so is absurd.

Is the defense here, “ oh, I didn’t know ? “ or simply, it’s the way it’s always been done.

Practically everyone I know has a housekeeper.

Are there some American housekeepers out there. Yes, absolutely. But where I live (in Los Angeles), practically all the housekeepers are either from Mexico or Central America. Some of them are legal aliens, but most of them are illegal aliens.

I never said it wasn't honest work.

Do most people who employ illegal aliens know that they are illegal? I would say in most cases the answer is yes. I don't think that most people ask and I don't think that most people care. They just want an employee who is honest and who will do a good job.

I think most people know that it is technically illegal to have an illegal alien working for them. But it's obviously not enforced. There are around 12-15 million illegal aliens working in the US.

Do most people know that if they have a housekeeper that comes once a week that they pay cash, that they technically are supposed to withhold Social Security and Medicare? I would say that most people probably do not know that.

By the way, the employer is not always required to pay social security. The law is strange. If the worker brings their own supplies and decides on their own how to do the job, then you don't need to pay. But if they use your supplies and you tell them how to do the job, then you do have to pay. Most people do not know that.

"A housekeeper is self-employed if she works for more than one client, sets her own schedule and provides her own supplies. She works under her own direction – you might tell her you’d like her to clean the bathrooms, but you don’t tell her how to accomplish the task. She might advertise her services to an array of clients, and she chooses what work to take and when to fit the work into her schedule." In this case you would not have to pay her Social security.

"Someone is your employee if you set her schedule, dictate her duties and provide the supplies she uses. If your housekeeper has regular hours in your home, you provide the cleaning supplies, and you dictate her duties and how they are to be accomplished, you are acting as the housekeeper’s employer. As an employer, you need to withhold Social Security and Medicare tax from your employee’s wages." In this case you would need to pay her Social security.

https://work.chron.com/tax-rules-emp...per-10188.html

[Alabama Stakes]

Sorry I'm just some poor guy who knows more housekeepers than people who have em. My bad.

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by Alabama Stakes

Sorry I'm just some poor guy who knows more housekeepers than people who have em. My bad.

Brace yourself....I agree with you. I read his post this morning and avoided it because I knew nothing good was going to come of it.

I have an idea of what he’s trying to say, he just can’t help how it comes out though.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

Brace yourself....I agree with you. I read his post this morning and avoided it because I knew nothing good was going to come of it.

I have an idea of what he’s trying to say, he just can’t help how it comes out though.

You obviously had no idea of what I was trying to say. My point was simple. My point is that the government can go after anyone they want to. Millions of people are technically breaking the law all the time. If the government decides that they are going to start enforcing something out of the blue, practically anyone could be in trouble for something. That was the point, period.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

Practically everyone I know has a housekeeper.

It all makes sense now.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

It all makes sense now.

If you think that only rich people have housekeepers (that come once every week or two), you are totally out of touch with the real world.

[Alabama Stakes]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

If you think that only rich people have housekeepers (that come once every week or two), you are totally out of touch with the real world.

Maybe your world, not mine. We actually mow our own lawns, shovel snow, and clean our own house like our parents required us to do growing up.

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

It all makes sense now.