12/26 (SA): Malibu, La Brea (G1's), Mathis Mile, San Antonio (G2's)

[Secretriat34]

Originally Posted by taxicab

Smith was kind of chirping/nudging at him.
Red flags with Collected now.

Is Collected another Arrogate..win 4 with blood clean enough to race, then when its gone..no more horse

seems to be a pattern with Baffert..no ?

and why is that...what has he been doing to get the ponies who haven'[t raced lately to all of a sudden race lights out...and then 4 races later..become an also ran ? hmmm ? what could it be ...???

[knickslions2]

Originally Posted by Secretriat34

Is Collected another Arrogate..win 4 with blood clean enough to race, then when its gone..no more horse

seems to be a pattern with Baffert..no ?

and why is that...what has he been doing to get the ponies who haven'[t raced lately to all of a sudden race lights out...and then 4 races later..become an also ran ? hmmm ? what could it be ...???

You're a moron and continue to destroy every thread you post in. Why don't you go back into hibernation

[Secretriat34]

i'm just trying to point out that Bob seems to have a pattern of rest them, and then they win 4, and then there just standard breds..I wonder why ?

maybe you can explain it to me ?
did i miss something..?

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by Secretriat34

i'm just trying to point out that Bob seems to have a pattern of rest them, and then they win 4, and then there just standard breds..I wonder why ?

maybe you can explain it to me ?
did i miss something..?

Because save Pegram clan they are all fungible?

[taxicab]

Originally Posted by Secretriat34

Is Collected another Arrogate..win 4 with blood clean enough to race, then when its gone..no more horse

seems to be a pattern with Baffert..no ?

and why is that...what has he been doing to get the ponies who haven'[t raced lately to all of a sudden race lights out...and then 4 races later..become an also ran ? hmmm ? what could it be ...???

I think Collected might be over the top for this season.......it happens,horses wear down.
He looked like a tired horse yesterday.......nothing more.
Some R&R at a farm might do him some good,give a horse a vacation away from the track and they usually return in solid order.
Sidebar: Mike Smith took a lot of heat for the ride Tuesday,it wasn't his fault.
Smith was anything but high and tight with the reins.......Collected just wasn't cooperating.
I give Mr. Smith a lot of credit for falling on the sword and taking the heat for that ride......there isn't a jockey out there that was going to get Collected to fire yesterday.

[Secretriat34]

Originally Posted by taxicab

I think Collected might be over the top for this season.......it happens,horses wear down.
He looked like a tired horse yesterday.......nothing more.
Some R&R at a farm might do him some good,give a horse a vacation away from the track and they usually return in solid order.
Sidebar: Mike Smith took a lot of heat for the ride Tuesday,it wasn't his fault.
Smith was anything but high and tight with the reins.......Collected just wasn't cooperating.
I give Mr. Smith a lot of credit for falling on the sword and taking the heat for that ride......there isn't a jockey out there that was going to get Collected to fire yesterday.

i respect your opinion on this and appreciate your thoughts on the matter.

However, the question as to WHY he was so tired is the heart of the matter...you pump them up, they run...then they fall down..which is the point I am trying to get at...

Consider Gun Runner...has he ever run a bad race ?
he is consistently good

then look at what bob offers - peaks and valleys..
it is the trainers methods I wonder about.

Collected was supposed to be the HOY 2017s' main competition at Gulfstream in 2018.
this race he faltered so badly at was to be a spring board to overthrowing the division leader, the fastest horse in the world right now on dirt. Instead he appears gate side lethargic.

GUN RUNNER (CANDY RIDE) shows up each and every time and Steve should be the trainer of the year 2017.

I only wish GR would go to Dubai and win 25 million in total and get the respect the 4 hit wonder managed to steal from him.
without Arrogate, GR would be 2 time HOY.

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by Secretriat34

i respect your opinion on this and appreciate your thoughts on the matter.

However, the question as to WHY he was so tired is the heart of the matter...you pump them up, they run...then they fall down..which is the point I am trying to get at...

Consider Gun Runner...has he ever run a bad race ?
he is consistently good

then look at what bob offers - peaks and valleys..
it is the trainers methods I wonder about.

Collected was supposed to be the HOY 2017s' main competition at Gulfstream in 2018.
this race he faltered so badly at was to be a spring board to overthrowing the division leader, the fastest horse in the world right now on dirt. Instead he appears gate side lethargic.

GUN RUNNER (CANDY RIDE) shows up each and every time and Steve should be the trainer of the year 2017.

I only wish GR would go to Dubai and win 25 million in total and get the respect the 4 hit wonder managed to steal from him.
without Arrogate, GR would be 2 time HOY.

Hoy? Last year? I guess you forgot about the races early on in which nyquist and exaggerator were clearly better.

[Secretriat34]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

Hoy? Last year? I guess you forgot about the races early on in which nyquist and exaggerator were clearly better.

Chuck, not to be argumentative...but clearly better than who..GUN RUNNER ?

If not for the quarentine at FG GR would lead the world NOW in on track winnings.

Nyquist...a colt that folds after the derby is not one you really want to breed to unless you want fast 2 year olds as a group of thoroughbreds. Consider Smarty Jones...where are his foals ?
Exaggerator ?? huh ?? you actually think Ex was a better horse in terms of speed than GR ...please your just feeding the pigeons with that one.

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by Secretriat34

Chuck, not to be argumentative...but clearly better than who..GUN RUNNER ?

If not for the quarentine at FG GR would lead the world NOW in on track winnings.

Nyquist...a colt that folds after the derby is not one you really want to breed to unless you want fast 2 year olds as a group of thoroughbreds. Consider Smarty Jones...where are his foals ?
Exaggerator ?? huh ?? you actually think Ex was a better horse in terms of speed than GR ...please your just feeding the pigeons with that one.

In the first part of the year, those two were clearly ahead of gun runner. As for the quarantine, Arrogate smoked gun runner before and after it. I guess it's easy to believe in something if you ignore facts that disprove your belief.

[Secretriat34]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

In the first part of the year, those two were clearly ahead of gun runner. As for the quarantine, Arrogate smoked gun runner before and after it. I guess it's easy to believe in something if you ignore facts that disprove your belief.

what are you smokin Chuck...
GR slammed the 4 hit wonder at Del Mar
GR won like what 5 G1's all year beginning in the spring.
type about ignoring the facts ???
I mean they ran outta Grade 1's for the horse to dominate.

well whatever you believe is just good to type about horses.