9/4 (PRX): Smarty Jones, Greenwood Cup, Turf Monster (G3's), LeVine

[ateamstupid]

That Jim Dandy try sure sapped Pavel forever.

[cakes44]

Moving up the 3-year-old charts fast...especially with a bunch of them sucking @ss right now.

[10 pnt move up]

socal dirt horse on the road on the east coast....7/2. thx all

[taxicab]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

socal dirt horse on the road on the east coast....7/2. thx all

That is kind of amazing how it seems to shake out.

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

That Jim Dandy try sure sapped Pavel forever.

More after-the-fact posting. Where were you before the race? This board would benefit from some more diverse pre-race discussion.

At any rate, who knew a drop from Grade 1 to Grade 3 would be benefit an inexperienced horse?

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

More after-the-fact posting. Where were you before the race? This board would benefit from some more diverse pre-race discussion.

At any rate, who knew a drop from Grade 1 to Grade 3 would be benefit an inexperienced horse?

I must've missed when they made the Jim Dandy a Grade 1. And yeah, what a huge drop in class this was, considering how well the Jim Dandy horses came back to run in the Travers.

You're the one who wrote off the horse's entire career because they decided to take a shot with him, I told you you were being ridiculous. That was before the race, wasn't it? God forbid you eat a little crow. Best to just go on making excuses for your smug, unfounded trashing of his connections.

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

And yeah, what a huge drop in class this was, considering how well the Jim Dandy horses came back to run in the Travers.

Nice try, but seeing how Pavel ran off the board in the Jim Dandy and won this race by open lengths, what does that tell you about the field today (if you couldn't tell from the past performances)?

You're the one who wrote off the horse's entire career because they decided to take a shot with him, I told you you were being ridiculous.

You're just putting words into my mouth. I suggested he ought to have pointed for something like the El Cajon at Del Mar. Sure enough, they regrouped and went for a second tier stakes. Good for them, logical move.

Funny enough, you laughed at the El Cajon, a race that drew Grade 1 winners and classic placed horses with the winner registering a triple digit Beyer.

Of course, I guess there's always the possibility that the plan all along was to win a sprint debut late in the season, run off the board in the Jim Dandy next out, and then put it all together in the Smarty Jones at Parx.

That was before the race, wasn't it?

You've got to be kidding. Your last post on Pavel was over a month ago, but you're gonna suggest it was in reference to a start in the Smarty Jones?

God forbid you eat a little crow.

Why would I eat crow? I was singing the horse's praises in terms of talent all along. But as I said before, this is a long-term game and just because Pavel recovered from a botched and overreaching try in the Jim Dandy to win a Grade 3 at Parx doesn't mean it was the right move to run at Saratoga nor that he'll be handled more conservatively in the future. He'll obviously now knock heads with West Coast in the Pennsylvania Derby next and regardless of performance will probably show up in the BC Classic.

If I eat crow about anything its for saying the Jim Dandy was a Grade 1 after drawing two classic winners.

Best to just go on making excuses for your smug, unfounded trashing of his connections.

Unfounded?

Bad Read Sanchez, Ontology, Know More, Wake Up Nick, Ralis, Found Money, Sam's Ace, Frensham, B Squared, Land Over Sea, Jimmy Bouncer, Indexical, Gomo, Bond Holder, He's Had Enough, The Humancomplaint, Boxer des Rues, Rum Point, Electric Eddie, Concave, Eddie's First, Morning Coffee, Blabimir, You Missed It,...

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

Nice try, but seeing how Pavel ran off the board in the Jim Dandy and won this race by open lengths, what does that tell you about the field today (if you couldn't tell from the past performances)?


You're just putting words into my mouth. I suggested he ought to have pointed for something like the El Cajon at Del Mar. Sure enough, they regrouped and went for a second tier stakes. Good for them, logical move.

Funny enough, you laughed at the El Cajon, a race that drew Grade 1 winners and classic placed horses with the winner registering a triple digit Beyer.

Of course, I guess there's always the possibility that the plan all along was to win a sprint debut late in the season, run off the board in the Jim Dandy next out, and then put it all together in the Smarty Jones at Parx.


You've got to be kidding. Your last post on Pavel was over a month ago, but you're gonna suggest it was in reference to a start in the Smarty Jones?


Why would I eat crow? I was singing the horse's praises in terms of talent all along. But as I said before, this is a long-term game and just because Pavel recovered from a botched and overreaching try in the Jim Dandy to win a Grade 3 at Parx doesn't mean it was the right move to run at Saratoga nor that he'll be handled more conservatively in the future. He'll obviously now knock heads with West Coast in the Pennsylvania Derby next and regardless of performance will probably show up in the BC Classic.

If I eat crow about anything its for saying the Jim Dandy was a Grade 1 after drawing two classic winners.


Unfounded?

Bad Read Sanchez, Ontology, Know More, Wake Up Nick, Ralis, Found Money, Sam's Ace, Frensham, B Squared, Land Over Sea, Jimmy Bouncer, Indexical, Gomo, Bond Holder, He's Had Enough, The Humancomplaint, Boxer des Rues, Rum Point, Electric Eddie, Concave, Eddie's First, Morning Coffee, Blabimir, You Missed It,...

Yeah all those superstars in any other hands. Good grief. I've never seen someone put more effort into not admitting they were wrong. Hats off.

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Yeah all those superstars in any other hands. Good grief. I've never seen someone put more effort into not admitting they were wrong. Hats off.

Again...what was I wrong about?

The Jim Dandy remains a stupid spot to run the horse. He was unsuccessful and it did nothing for him. He would have been in the Travers otherwise (then I would have eaten crow). Yeah, he won a second tier race at Parx today, but no one was disputing that the horse was talented.

And Reddam has a lot of options for the horse now that he has Irap waiting for the Penn Derby. Who knows? Maybe the Arc is in the offing for Pavel.

At any rate, you clearly are still smarting from the Abel Tasman discussion, which is the only reason you chimed in on my Pavel/Jim Dandy post in the first place. Glad your grudge got you to post again after a couple weeks absence.

Hopefully Pavel is able to run a few more times lest you disappear completely.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

Again...what was I wrong about?

The Jim Dandy remains a stupid spot to run the horse. He was unsuccessful and it did nothing for him. He would have been in the Travers otherwise (then I would have eaten crow). Yeah, he won a second tier race at Parx today, but no one was disputing that the horse was talented.

And Reddam has a lot of options for the horse now that he has Irap waiting for the Penn Derby. Who knows? Maybe the Arc is in the offing for Pavel.

At any rate, you clearly are still smarting from the Abel Tasman discussion, which is the only reason you chimed in on my Pavel/Jim Dandy post in the first place. Glad your grudge got you to post again after a couple weeks absence.

Hopefully Pavel is able to run a few more times lest you disappear completely.

Yeah I'm still smarting. That's how much you mean to me. The bottom line is, you said running in the Jim Dandy would ruin the horse, and he came right back and won a $350,000 race in a canter. Now you're putting out more smugness about running him in the Arc, because you're pissed off that the horse isn't crippled from running in the Jim Dandy. Guess they didn't hear that the El Cajon is the natural springboard to a Hall of Fame plaque.

[declansharbor]

After seeing Pavel draw off like that today, I'm sure that has Doug O'Neill drawing up a contingency plan for Irap if he's serious about keeping him and Pavel from racing against each other prior to the BCC. The Awesome Again was mentioned, pretty logical. O'Neill's bar seems to be holding pocket Queens preflop! Can't wait to see how the BCC unfolds -- going to be one HELL of a wagering event.

[taxicab]

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

This board would benefit from some more diverse pre-race discussion.

I do some pre-race discussion...........but I'm usually wrong about 98% of the time.

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by taxicab

I do some pre-race discussion...........but I'm usually wrong about 98% of the time.

Keep your chin up...some people only do post-race discussion.......and are still wrong 98% of the time.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

Keep your chin up...some people only do post-race discussion.......and are still wrong 98% of the time.

You're an idiot, dude. I've been posting picks and plays on this site for over a decade. The next time I see you put a play in the Selections forum will be the first one. Internet yappers who know everything and refuse to admit when they're wrong are a dime a dozen. At least some of them are funny. You're a humorless scold who does nothing but slip on banana peels with every one of your snarky takes.

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

You're an idiot, dude. I've been posting picks and plays on this site for over a decade. The next time I see you put a play in the Selections forum will be the first one. Internet yappers who know everything and refuse to admit when they're wrong are a dime a dozen. At least some of them are funny. You're a humorless scold who does nothing but slip on banana peels with every one of your snarky takes.

Yeah, I figured you'd ignore my response to your own post.

At least after I posted that list of Reddam wastage you dropped the BS "unfounded" accusation you leveled at me. Small victories...

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

Yeah, I figured you'd ignore my response to your own post.

At least after I posted that list of Reddam wastage you dropped the BS "unfounded" accusation you leveled at me. Small victories...

You posted a bunch of mid-level allowance horses that you and only you would ever think could've been something great, as if that somehow mitigates the level of success Reddam has had that 99% of owners could never dream of. But sure, take that "small victory." God knows you need it.