Most Lousy Jockeys of 2006. POLL!!!

With apologies to a few, this thread has disintegrated into remarkable prattle. The first rule of handicapping is to bet your own money, on your own selections. Rule two; take responsibility for those selections. There are no other rules.

The previous four pages of this thread are largely, collective confessions of novice handicappers who always bet the right horse. And if that horse loses; blame the jockey. Posts such as $50 to win, $50 place on a certain horse... ten minutes before the race, are ubiquitous and carry a dismal hit rate. Some cappers list 4 or 5 horses, for any given race, then take credit if any one of them wins! In the last few days some posters are fraudulenting claiming their horse won, when it ran up the track!!

Without apology or regret, I can relate to how hard a jockey has it. For twelve years I lived across the street from Churchill Downs. For the last eight of those years my roommate was an outrider. I have enormous respect, and a deep admiration for jockeys' work ethic, athleticism and courage. I call more than a few good friends.

In continuing my tirade, one post indicated the jocks in Louisiana, for the Delta Princess, were on the take, or lousy, because they set a fast pace. The poster did not consider that both were Grade One winning fillies and both were sent. Additionally that night, the first five races were won by widening wire to wire winners, with one exception who ran a very game second at a nice number. Wouldn't you love to see, your jockey, strangling your speed horse in a big money race???? Posting that a jock would "stiff" a horse in a $300K race highlights the prattle here in, and indicates the posters' incompetence.

In conclusion, in five decades of betting on horse races, a jockeys poor ride has beat me about five times. I asked, a few, really solid national cappers, the same question and their answer was about the same. I do not intend to come off as a know-it all, and have been "warned" that forum regulars are "intimidated" with my knowledge, I counter with all my bets are posted somewhere and my ROI would make a lottery winner wince. My strength is that, I realize, many handicappers know more than i do, and beat me like a drum every day, but I do not makre up excuses for my failures! Posting Friday, Good cappin, BBB

Originally Posted by bellsbendboy

Without apology or regret, I can relate to how hard a jockey has it. For twelve years I lived across the street from Churchill Downs. For the last eight of those years my roommate was an outrider. I have enormous respect, and a deep admiration for jockeys' work ethic, athleticism and courage. I call more than a few good friends.

I like your attitude. Care to give your opinion on the jockey scandal at Tampa?

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

Originally Posted by bellsbendboy

With apologies to a few, this thread has disintegrated into remarkable prattle. The first rule of handicapping is to bet your own money, on your own selections. Rule two; take responsibility for those selections. There are no other rules.

The previous four pages of this thread are largely, collective confessions of novice handicappers who always bet the right horse. And if that horse loses; blame the jockey. Posts such as $50 to win, $50 place on a certain horse... ten minutes before the race, are ubiquitous and carry a dismal hit rate. Some cappers list 4 or 5 horses, for any given race, then take credit if any one of them wins! In the last few days some posters are fraudulenting claiming their horse won, when it ran up the track!!

Without apology or regret, I can relate to how hard a jockey has it. For twelve years I lived across the street from Churchill Downs. For the last eight of those years my roommate was an outrider. I have enormous respect, and a deep admiration for jockeys' work ethic, athleticism and courage. I call more than a few good friends.

In continuing my tirade, one post indicated the jocks in Louisiana, for the Delta Princess, were on the take, or lousy, because they set a fast pace. The poster did not consider that both were Grade One winning fillies and both were sent. Additionally that night, the first five races were won by widening wire to wire winners, with one exception who ran a very game second at a nice number. Wouldn't you love to see, your jockey, strangling your speed horse in a big money race???? Posting that a jock would "stiff" a horse in a $300K race highlights the prattle here in, and indicates the posters' incompetence.

In conclusion, in five decades of betting on horse races, a jockeys poor ride has beat me about five times. I asked, a few, really solid national cappers, the same question and their answer was about the same. I do not intend to come off as a know-it all, and have been "warned" that forum regulars are "intimidated" with my knowledge, I counter with all my bets are posted somewhere and my ROI would make a lottery winner wince. My strength is that, I realize, many handicappers know more than i do, and beat me like a drum every day, but I do not makre up excuses for my failures! Posting Friday, Good cappin, BBB

i for one am shaking in my boots about you posting here..you have put out 4 or five.pick 4 s.and hit one..right under my selections where i gave out the same horses..then you pm me and ask if i need help...so comedy..

[SentToStud]

Originally Posted by bellsbendboy

With apologies to a few, this thread has disintegrated into remarkable prattle. The first rule of handicapping is to bet your own money, on your own selections. Rule two; take responsibility for those selections. There are no other rules.

The previous four pages of this thread are largely, collective confessions of novice handicappers who always bet the right horse. And if that horse loses; blame the jockey. Posts such as $50 to win, $50 place on a certain horse... ten minutes before the race, are ubiquitous and carry a dismal hit rate. Some cappers list 4 or 5 horses, for any given race, then take credit if any one of them wins! In the last few days some posters are fraudulenting claiming their horse won, when it ran up the track!!

Without apology or regret, I can relate to how hard a jockey has it. For twelve years I lived across the street from Churchill Downs. For the last eight of those years my roommate was an outrider. I have enormous respect, and a deep admiration for jockeys' work ethic, athleticism and courage. I call more than a few good friends.

In continuing my tirade, one post indicated the jocks in Louisiana, for the Delta Princess, were on the take, or lousy, because they set a fast pace. The poster did not consider that both were Grade One winning fillies and both were sent. Additionally that night, the first five races were won by widening wire to wire winners, with one exception who ran a very game second at a nice number. Wouldn't you love to see, your jockey, strangling your speed horse in a big money race???? Posting that a jock would "stiff" a horse in a $300K race highlights the prattle here in, and indicates the posters' incompetence.

In conclusion, in five decades of betting on horse races, a jockeys poor ride has beat me about five times. I asked, a few, really solid national cappers, the same question and their answer was about the same. I do not intend to come off as a know-it all, and have been "warned" that forum regulars are "intimidated" with my knowledge, I counter with all my bets are posted somewhere and my ROI would make a lottery winner wince. My strength is that, I realize, many handicappers know more than i do, and beat me like a drum every day, but I do not makre up excuses for my failures! Posting Friday, Good cappin, BBB

Very loquacious. You most certainly have a fine grasp of the language arts.

I would only take limited minor exceptions with your comments. Perhaps you may indulge my noting them in reverse order of significance:

8. What knowledge is it that you have been "warned" about in terms of "intimidating" others?

7. You have a peculiar way of saying "We" and "Our" to describe your actions, wagers and thoughts. I recall -- and please do correct me if I've erred -- referring to your "inner circle."

6. You tease us like a tempting vixen with reference to your "posted elsewhere" ROI. Pray tell, where might some of us locate this most holiest of grails?

5. Why would anyone at the highest levels of handicapping ever discuss a bad ride? You and your "top tier national handicappers" must know rides even out and they are fruitless to discuss. 50 years of wagering and you still have not mastered this?

4. Outriders are not jockeys. This follows the same logic we all learned when taking those standardized tests; i.e., ALL SQUARES ARE RECTANGLES BUT NOT ALL RECTANGLES ARE SQUARES.

3. I took no offense to your comments and ask no apologies, especially with respect to your "Rule #1 ... Bet Your Own Money." Agreed. In return for my not taking any offense and requiring no apology, I'd like to take comfort in you doing the same when I tell you I would not wager on your offerings with stolen money.

2. You strike me as a man who -- for whatever reason -- is looking for a job or to make a sale. I actually admire that.

1. What in the world is a man such as you doing living for for 8 years with an outrider across from a race track???? Perhaps that takes us down a path that is best reserved for another session.

You can PM me with questions, comments, requests for assistance or cash challenge offers.

Pillow: No knowledge of the Tampa jock debacle. Heard Rene had some marijuana in his car, but my source is questionable.

Hooves: You handicap ten races in as many minutes. I 'cap four races and often take four days to do so. I sent you a private mail indicating your FG selections were awful, which you acknowledged. You said you "just threw them up". My pick 4's average some $25 per play and as you state, I hit about twenty percent of the time. Taking your four selections per race that would be a ticket of some $250. I estimate your hit rate at some ten percent.

Da Hoss: I see Robbie ride on a regular basis and cannot recall a bad ride. Remember the barns he rides for, largely feature horses that have no speed. I would much rather have someone learn from my posts than anything else. My post on cheating on the Delmar forum last week has over a thousand hits.

Sent: When I write I use We and Our to acknowledge the people that took the time to teach me how to handicap. I post on the forum, where the track is running. Mostly Delmar and Nola, but also TG, the sheets, BTW, Letitride and many others. I will post everday here for Saratoga.

Outriders are much better on a horse than jockeys. I am and have been for some twenty years the national sales Mgr for Health and Home magazine. As for a cash challenge, I post a pick 4 every Sunday and would welcome your involvement. BBB

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

Originally Posted by bellsbendboy

Pillow: No knowledge of the Tampa jock debacle. Heard Rene had some marijuana in his car, but my source is questionable.

Hooves: You handicap ten races in as many minutes. I 'cap four races and often take four days to do so. I sent you a private mail indicating your FG selections were awful, which you acknowledged. You said you "just threw them up". My pick 4's average some $25 per play and as you state, I hit about twenty percent of the time. Taking your four selections per race that would be a ticket of some $250. I estimate your hit rate at some ten percent.

Da Hoss: I see Robbie ride on a regular basis and cannot recall a bad ride. Remember the barns he rides for, largely feature horses that have no speed. I would much rather have someone learn from my posts than anything else. My post on cheating on the Delmar forum last week has over a thousand hits.

Sent: When I write I use We and Our to acknowledge the people that took the time to teach me how to handicap. I post on the forum, where the track is running. Mostly Delmar and Nola, but also TG, the sheets, BTW, Letitride and many others. I will post everday here for Saratoga.

Outriders are much better on a horse than jockeys. I am and have been for some twenty years the national sales Mgr for Health and Home magazine. As for a cash challenge, I post a pick 4 every Sunday and would welcome your involvement. BBB

guess what ..no one cares.your picks are worse than mine.. and if you spent 4 days looking at one card then have given out the 4 losers out of 5..your really bad.....need i school another one...lol..whatever guy..just post your picks ..good luck...by the way its is used as a guide..its good to be confedent...just dont think your above anyone on here..

[estreetposse]

Mr. "let's shave off all the hair on my body knowing that i have to give a hair sample as a condition of my probation as a repeat drug abuser"

P-Val takes the cake for me. He can't get a chalk home to save his life. But when he's 6-1 or higher he's about as live as they come. That's the main reason why i have so much trouble at CA tracks (specifically with the pk 3's 4's etc.)

-bt-

[ceejay]

I can not think of a jockey lousier than Travis Hightower. Hard to believe he's still riding....