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Old 12-18-2006, 04:20 AM
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...and again, Ghostzapper is considered great for what he did at 4, not 3. You say yourself it is very unlikely he will make the big jump, so what is the point of the comparison?

This is like comparing Christian Laettner's Duke career to that of Michael Jordan at North Carolina. While both were outstanding at that reduced level, one was clearly overrated when the competition was stepped up. (Hint: It was the white guy)

I have some doubts that DC will be the great horse some make him out to be. I would not be shocked if he is though. But as a bettor, though I'll probably never get the chance, I'll take my shot against him at a ridiculously low price if he ever faces top class horses in the U.S. My main point is that due to the pathetic fields he lined up against, including the Cigar Mile, he performances almost have to be overrated.
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Old 12-18-2006, 09:24 AM
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...and again, Ghostzapper is considered great for what he did at 4, not 3. You say yourself it is very unlikely he will make the big jump, so what is the point of the comparison?

This is like comparing Christian Laettner's Duke career to that of Michael Jordan at North Carolina. While both were outstanding at that reduced level, one was clearly overrated when the competition was stepped up. (Hint: It was the white guy)

I have some doubts that DC will be the great horse some make him out to be. I would not be shocked if he is though. But as a bettor, though I'll probably never get the chance, I'll take my shot against him at a ridiculously low price if he ever faces top class horses in the U.S. My main point is that due to the pathetic fields he lined up against, including the Cigar Mile, he performances almost have to be overrated.
Pre-NBA Laettner *sigh*

Any of the G1's won by Hollywood Story, Star Parade or Healthy Addiction.

What was the grade of the Oaklawn race Buzzard's Bay won?
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Old 12-18-2006, 09:45 AM
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Pre-NBA Laettner *sigh*

Any of the G1's won by Hollywood Story, Star Parade or Healthy Addiction.

What was the grade of the Oaklawn race Buzzard's Bay won?
if it's the oaklawn cap, it's a grade 2.
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Old 12-18-2006, 10:27 AM
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if it's the oaklawn cap, it's a grade 2.
Well in the G2 & G3 category, my nominees are:

Bandini
Buzzard's Bay

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Old 12-18-2006, 10:36 AM
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Bernardini:
1. Jim Dandy
2. Travers
3. Jockey Club Gold Cup
4. Preakness


All 3 are races that were overrated by the Bernmafia, in reality they were nice races, but nowhere near the Crowning Achievements that some made them to be...
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Old 12-18-2006, 12:55 PM
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I'm now moving Strong Pretender's Dwyer up to #1 on my list and his Super Derby up to #2. I'd probably move the Peter Pan into my top ten as well. At least no one takes Sinister Minister seriously. People honestly believe that Strong Pretender is a very good horse though on the basis of beating Doc Cheney and a hammerlocked Lawyer Ron and ignore the fact that he lost to Praying for Cash in the Haskell and Sunriver and Lewis Michael in the Peter Pan. If I was to rank the top 3yo's on dirt I would place him right around High Cotton, Lewis Michael, and Deputy Glitters. Yet from the sounds of things people actually think this horse would have a shot in the Sunshine Millions. The most overrated horse of 2006 is Strong Contender.
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Old 12-18-2006, 01:01 PM
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I don't think that much of Strong Contender, though I think he is better than you give him credit for last year.

His Haskell, which has been mentioned a few times, is a total toss. The horse had virtually NO CHANCE on that outside biased racetrack from his post position. To make matters worse, every other jockey knew it by the time the Haskell rolled around, so there was just no way to work out any kind of decent trip. I bet SC very strong in the Super Derby on this knowledge.

I'm not sure why beating a "hammerlocked" Lawyer Ron is such a bad thing. I hate when jockeys do that, but who is to say he would have run any better if let loose? He sure didn't show it in his next start.
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Old 12-18-2006, 01:03 PM
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I almost forgot: With a City's "masterpiece" against basically a NW2X field that masquered as a Gr 2 worth around $500K.
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Old 12-18-2006, 01:08 PM
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An argument could be made that Strong Contendor was, overall, the most overrated horse of 2006. Idiots like DrugS actually declared him an up and coming superstar after his Gulfstream debut and all things considered his year was extremely disappointing. On the other hand, he showed enough promise in his wins that the possibility exists that he could be a force going into 2007. Unfortunately, being that he's trained by John Ward, the likelihood of further disappointment is acute.

Now, Strong Contendor cannot be THE most overrated horse of 2007, because John " Einstein " Ward claimed midway through the year that Dr. Pleasure, a veritable bum, was actually the best of his 3YOs. So, he would clearly have to be more overrated than Strong Contendor.
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Old 12-18-2006, 10:22 PM
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Bernardini:
1. Jim Dandy
2. Travers
3. Jockey Club Gold Cup
4. Preakness


All 3 are races that were overrated by the Bernmafia, in reality they were nice races, but nowhere near the Crowning Achievements that some made them to be...
exactly! i couldn't believe i read through 3 full pages of posts before somebody made this point. the words "overrated" and "bernardini" are basically synonymous!
however, even a confirmed bernardini-hater like me would probably rank lava man's dirt wins this year as just as overrated as bern's based on LM's post time odds in the bcc. everybody that knows anything about horse racing knew that horse should have been around 25/1 based on his lifetime of performances outside of California. based on the fact that he was most certainly NOT 25/1....i'd say his performances were severely overrated by the betting public.
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