Regardless, History is being made.

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Originally Posted by GenuineRisk

You mean NAFTA? NAFTA that George Bush Sr. created with Canada and Mexico? That NAFTA? The one that Republican Congresscritters overwhelmingly voted for NAFTA? That NAFTA?

The NAFTA that Clinton openly says hasn't delivered what it promised?

It's easy to look back on NAFTA with 20 years of hindsight and say, "This was terrible" but are we sure we'd be in a better place without it? Our employment issues run much deeper than a trade agreement. We depended for decades on being the only developed nation that didn't get bombed to smithereens in WW2. We got to dominate trade because we were the only country that still had infrastructure. It was naive to think other nations wouldn't catch back up.

Which is to say, I don't know what the solution is. Our culture believes that a company's first obligation is to return money to shareholders, and however that happens is just fine. If we lived in a nation that believed a company's first obligation was to sustain a local community, maybe things would be different, but that's not our culture and it's unlikely to change anytime soon.

I do find it interesting that Dems regularly get blamed for policies that end up hurting American workers, while Republican elected officials get a free pass, despite the fact that the Republicans are the ones overwhelmingly voting in favor of these policies. It's a fascinating disconnect.

Also, it's interesting that it's totally fine with Americans that someone be born extremely wealthy and spend their career indulging in deals that harm the average American (see Trump hiring illegal immigrants to construct his buildings and Trump Sr. taking gov't handouts and then using them to block black folk from getting housing - Woody Guthrie actually wrote songs about how much he hated "Old Man Trump"), but when a Democrat rises from middle-class to very rich (or, in the case of Bill, from dirt poor to very rich), somehow it's an affront to American principles.

Maybe, deep down, America really wants to be an aristocracy.

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Trumps going to get us out of nato, nuke europe, and give nukes to japan. He is the MAN. And he is such a great businessman, that is why he only has the four bankruptcies.
Guy was born on third base, but would have folks believe he hit a triple.
Tells his reality show fans that the fault for their job losses is due to illegals and foreign workers...they dont pay attention to the fact he is one of those who hires them, instead of citizens. Buys policy, is one of the causes of our woes, but has managed to convince people that he is the solution when in fact he is one of the ones who has caused the problems.
Oh...and i just saw last night. Another big trump supporter announced his backing yesterday....kkk group in virginia. Makes me so proud.