Went to a fight and a hockey game broke out !!

[OTM Al]

Originally Posted by keithting

Or watched a MLB playoff game and a football game broke out....

Was it a slide or a tackle?

Rule 7.09:

It is interference by a batter or a runner when --

(e) If, in the judgment of the umpire, a base runner willfully and deliberately interferes with a batted ball or a fielder in the act of fielding a batted ball with the obvious intent to break up a double play, the ball is dead. The umpire shall call the runner out for interference and also call out the batter-runner because of the action of his teammate. In no event may bases be run or runs scored because of such action by a runner.

Pretty clear except to the umpires at the game last night. Nothing "clean" about the slide at all...

Utley didn't do this. You are citing the wrong rule.

[keithting]

Originally Posted by OTM Al

Utley didn't do this. You are citing the wrong rule.

You are correct in that there is another rule that could also be applied....

Taken from David Schoenfield's SweetSpot blogger....

"Rule 6.05 reads:

A batter is out when --

(m) A preceding runner shall, in the umpire's judgment, intentionally interfere with a fielder who is attempting to catch a thrown ball or to throw a ball in an attempt to complete any play:

Rule 6.05(m) Comment: The objective of this rule is to penalize the offensive team for deliberate, unwarranted, unsportsmanlike action by the runner in leaving the baseline for the obvious purpose of crashing the pivot man on a double play, rather than trying to reach the base. Obviously this is an umpire's judgment play.

Was Utley trying to reach the base? No. Did he leave the baseline? Yes? Was it deliberate, unwarranted and unsportsmanlike? Yes. CALL THE RULE. IT'S ALREADY ON THE BOOKS.

Or you can use Rule 7.09:

It is interference by a batter or a runner when --

(e) If, in the judgment of the umpire, a base runner willfully and deliberately interferes with a batted ball or a fielder in the act of fielding a batted ball with the obvious intent to break up a double play, the ball is dead. The umpire shall call the runner out for interference and also call out the batter-runner because of the action of his teammate. In no event may bases be run or runs scored because of such action by a runner.

Deliberately and willfully? Again, yes. CALL THE RULE. IT'S ALREADY ON THE BOOKS."

[Benny]

http://mlb.nbcsports.com/2015/10/11/...artner=ya5nbcs

[GBBob]

Post in the sports forum first of all, but that slide happens as part of baseball. So much whining

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by GBBob

Post in the sports forum first of all, but that slide happens as part of baseball. So much whining

It's not the slide that anyone really cares about....it's the umps giving the Dodgers an extra base runner and a fourth out. If you think that's fair, maybe the Cardinals should get to choose the inning they can employ that strategy against the Cubs. I assume that would work for you?

The slide only became an issue because the umps badly blew the call.

[Benny]

Chief baseball officer Joe Torre said in a release he believed discipline was warranted because Utley violated the rule against targeting defenseless fielders, particularly around second base. He cited rule 5.09 (a)(13), which, he said, "is designed to protect fielders from precisely this type of rolling block that occurs away from the base." He then noted the league has been "in discussions" with the players' union in regard to protecting middle infielders, an emphasis that apparently began Saturday night

[3kings]

Originally Posted by Benny

Chief baseball officer Joe Torre said in a release he believed discipline was warranted because Utley violated the rule against targeting defenseless fielders, particularly around second base. He cited rule 5.09 (a)(13), which, he said, "is designed to protect fielders from precisely this type of rolling block that occurs away from the base." He then noted the league has been "in discussions" with the players' union in regard to protecting middle infielders, an emphasis that apparently began Saturday night

This is crap. This happened quite a few times this season and no one was suspended. Kang of the Pirates suffered a broken leg on a very similar play(affecting the pennant race and playoffs) and there was no suspension. Put the rule in for next year but you can't suspend him here.

[jms62]

Originally Posted by 3kings

This is crap. This happened quite a few times in the last 100 years and no one was suspended. Kang of the Pirates suffered a broken leg on a very similar play(affecting the pennant race and playoffs) and there was no suspension. Put the rule in for next year but you can't suspend him here.

FTFY

[OTM Al]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

It's not the slide that anyone really cares about....it's the umps giving the Dodgers an extra base runner and a fourth out. If you think that's fair, maybe the Cardinals should get to choose the inning they can employ that strategy against the Cubs. I assume that would work for you?

The slide only became an issue because the umps badly blew the call.

No fourth out at all. What you saw was something that hasn't happened in some time. A play on the field that the rules couldn't account for because of the new replay rules. Replay showed that the umpire was in error calling the out as there was no tag of player or base. Umpire should in a perfect world have made no call at all. Then player either goes to the base realizing play is not over, or walks away and cedes the out. Instead he was called out and left the field as would be proper. Then umpire stops play and ball is dead.

Without replay the player is out as called. With replay now you have created a conundrum. Runner is neither out nor safe, but play has been stopped. There is nothing concrete now. Only judgement that can be made is that the runner would most likely have been safe if the correct call, or lack there of, was made. Not satisfying, but it is the most reasonable call that could have been made in the situation. It is thus the replay rule that will need most to be examined and updated in the case that replay shows runner neither out or safe when play stopped.

[knickslions2]

Mets kicked ass tonight and will tomorrow. Bring on Cubs and debunk Marty mc fly