American Pharoah points to Breeders' Cup Classic

[Alabama Stakes]

Originally Posted by Dunbar

I don't think AP is "done". It's just that he simply hasn't shown he is anything but a very good horse. Maybe as good as Smarty Jones, for example. (Although I would argue that Smarty's loss in the Belmont was a vastly more impressive performance than AP's loss in the Travers.)

Those so eager to bet him in the BCC seem to forget that he will again have to fly across country. And face a full field, making the dream trip much less likely. I'm confident AP will be overbet, so I'm looking forward to the BCC even more than usual.

I just hope AP's connections don't find a reason to bail at this point. If it took 4 hours to decide his future, it probably wouldn't take much to flip the switch.

he won the triple crown you %^&**((($ . hasn't happened since 78. He is a superstar

[robfla]

Originally Posted by Alabama Stakes

he won the triple crown you %^&**((($ . hasn't happened since 78. He is a superstar

Don't get bent out of shape. I think he is just trying to validate his bad opinion of AP from before the triple crown started. Much like others. Like those that made the line 0.5 ( or was is 1.5? ) on the amount of races AP would run in 2015. Which is now 7 and counting

[FATPIANO]

Originally Posted by Alabama Stakes

he won the triple crown you %^&**((($ . hasn't happened since 78. He is a superstar

LOL................yes he won The TC, a very good horse, but NOT great, how many track records has he matched or broken???? NONE, like I said a very good but NOT great horse

[DonGuido]

Originally Posted by FATPIANO

LOL................yes he won The TC, a very good horse, but NOT great, how many track records has he matched or broken???? NONE, like I said a very good but NOT great horse

Track records, whoop doops . . . fact is he puts horses away gliding over the dirt and wins under wraps. Why push the horse any faster if he's got it in hand down the lane. Ya ever heard of "save some for the next race", ? You take speed and records and Ill take 8 wins out of 10 starts with 7 GI's and 1 GII and the Triple Crown any day over track records and add in $6 mil +/- for fun. Your "just a very good horse" is laughable!

[DonGuido]

I have one last thing to add to the detractors of the Greatness of American Pharoah. Haskin's may have put a Pulitzer Prize signature on it. Read this if you haven't already and then . . . I rest my case on Pharoah's greatness.

http://cs.bloodhorse.com/blogs/horse...henomenon.aspx

Way to go Steve!!! Outstanding. And for those of you that don't get it, I feel sorry for you . . . because I would be futile to attempt to explain it to you.

[geeker2]

Maybe he should beat older horses before we crown him.....

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

should be exciting..will see how good beholder travels..im rooting for a ph..hes no fraud.with the timeoff he should run well.

[FATPIANO]

Originally Posted by geeker2

Maybe he should beat older horses before we crown him.....

DITTO

He is a very good horse, but as of yet he is not a great horse, beat his elders, come close to beating a track record and maybe become a great horse, I would take The Bid over him any day, that was a great horse!!

[geeker2]

Originally Posted by FATPIANO

DITTO

He is a very good horse, but as of yet he is not a great horse, beat his elders, come close to beating a track record and maybe become a great horse, I would take The Bid over him any day, that was a great horse!!

That Liam's Map is a serious race horse

[richard burch]

Originally Posted by FATPIANO

LOL................yes he won The TC, a very good horse, but NOT great, how many track records has he matched or broken???? NONE, like I said a very good but NOT great horse

i don't think any horse other than secretariat owns all 3 triple crown records. so are all the other horses "not great" too?

[FATPIANO]

Originally Posted by richard burch

i don't think any horse other than secretariat owns all 3 triple crown records. so are all the other horses "not great" too?

That is NOT what I said, AP has NOT proven to be a great horse yet, he has NOT beaten his elders, and has NOT broken any track records, those are things that GREAT one's do, He is a very good horse, but not a great one(YET) and might not have the time to do so, he got very lucky this spring, that's all.

[knickslions2]

Originally Posted by FATPIANO

That is NOT what I said, AP has NOT proven to be a great horse yet, he has NOT beaten his elders, and has NOT broken any track records, those are things that GREAT one's do, He is a very good horse, but not a great one(YET) and might not have the time to do so, he got very lucky this spring, that's all.

Lucky? You're reaching now.

[FATPIANO]

Originally Posted by knickslions2

Lucky? You're reaching now.

sorry it is just my opinion, we all have opinions, I did say he is very good, The first time he got hooked up with another good horse, he lost, thats all

[casp0555]

Originally Posted by FATPIANO

sorry it is just my opinion, we all have opinions, I did say he is very good, The first time he got hooked up with another good horse, he lost, thats all

So Firing Line and Dortmund were not good horses...just asking

[tanner12oz]

Originally Posted by FATPIANO

That is NOT what I said, AP has NOT proven to be a great horse yet, he has NOT beaten his elders, and has NOT broken any track records, those are things that GREAT one's do, He is a very good horse, but not a great one(YET) and might not have the time to do so, he got very lucky this spring, that's all.

I'm the eternal pessimist and I disagree completely. The horse did something that hasn't been done in almost 40 years. Pretty sure that separates you from the field

[senator L]

Yes, Sir Barton was a great horse - he won the triple crown
He beat Exterminator, also set a world record in 1920 for 1 3/16
and he was also thought highly enough to get a match race
against Man o War who many think was America's best horse ever.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by senator L

Yes, Sir Barton was a great horse - he won the triple crown
He beat Exterminator, also set a world record in 1920 for 1 3/16
and he was also thought highly enough to get a match race
against Man o War who many think was America's best horse ever.

If he's on your list of greats, it must be a looooooong list.