Another breakdown at Turfway

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by The Bid

Where is Ron Ellis stabled?

Most of Ron's horses are at Hollywood. They would all be at Hollywood if he could get more stalls. There is a shortage of stalls at Hollywood right now, so practically every trainer with more than 30 horses has horses at both tracks.

Ron has 40 horses. He has 32 at Hollywood and 8 at Santa Anita.

When the Hollywood season ends on Dec 18th, it should be much easier to get stalls there.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

The only major thing I see wrong with the Cushion Track is that it is very difficult to cap a group of races(at this meet.)This will not be the case for long.We have all seen that some horses can beat horses on it that they just can't beat on dirt. It makes most capping sheets or figures much less important than they normally are,but that will change.For bettors,this is a tread easy meet.It is the future in SOCAL that is gunna be great.We just have to get through this transition time.You must all see how turf horses don't scratch when they have to move turf races to this cushion track.That is very cool.Races aren't devastated by scratches.You get an actual contest(instead of just giving the check over to the one horse in there that likes dirt.)

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

The only major thing I see wrong with the Cushion Track is that it is very difficult to cap a group of races(at this meet.)This will not be the case for long.We have all seen that some horses can beat horses on it that they just can't beat on dirt. It makes most capping sheets or figures much less important than they normally are,but that will change.For bettors,this is a tread easy meet.It is the future in SOCAL that is gunna be great.We just have to get through this transition time.You must all see how turf horses don't scratch when they have to move turf races to this cushion track.That is very cool.Races aren't devastated by scratches.You get an actual contest(instead of just giving the check over to the one horse in there that likes dirt.)

You mean like a horse like St Stephen who cant stand up on dirt winning a graded stakes race on Polytrack like he just did?
yeah, I mean thats just another example of how this stuff has no relationship to dirt whatsoever.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by oracle80

You mean like a horse like St Stephen who cant stand up on dirt winning a graded stakes race on Polytrack like he just did?
yeah, I mean thats just another example of how this stuff has no relationship to dirt whatsoever.

I would say it allows racing between turf horses,and conventional "dirt" horses.I have seen about the same amount of turf horses freak on it as I have dirt horses.Steve Knapp has won 3 races out of about 55 starts here.All 3 wins were won by the same coventional dirt horse.You certainly don't have to be a turf horse to enjoy the cushion track.I know it is best (for sure) for SOCAL racing.We needed a shot in the arm,and if it means we get to race turf and dirt horses together,then so be it.We are getting turf horses from around the country now,and it is gunna get easier to cap as time goes on.This is a success out here.I don't regret it one bit,and I think it is better than polytrack.

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

I would say it allows racing between turf horses,and conventional "dirt" horses.I have seen about the same amount of turf horses freak on it as I have dirt horses.Steve Knapp has won 3 races out of about 55 starts here.All 3 wins were won by the same coventional dirt horse.You certainly don't have to be a turf horse to enjoy the cushion track.I know it is best (for sure) for SOCAL racing.We needed a shot in the arm,and if it means we get to race turf and dirt horses together,then so be it.We are getting turf horses from around the country now,and it is gunna get easier to cap as time goes on.This is a success out here.I don't regret it one bit,and I think it is better than polytrack.

Scuds I hear what you are saying, but its hard for people to wanna bet a place where a horse like St Stephen can be a graded winner on what passes for a dirt replacement.

[uscrules]

how did spellbinder look today? hes a horse i use to follow. knows how to win.

Originally Posted by uscrules

how did spellbinder look today? hes a horse i use to follow. knows how to win.

Scratched late.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by oracle80

Scuds I hear what you are saying, but its hard for people to wanna bet a place where a horse like St Stephen can be a graded winner on what passes for a dirt replacement.

The Spring/Summer meet at HWD is gunna be a very popular meet.I think any place that puts this cushion track in is going to be very popular.The fact is that it is a very fair track.You see a horse like Saint Stephen take advantage of 2 guys acting stupid up front,but right away,you see(in the next race) Antongeorgi steal a race.I have been watching horses for almost 25 years,and this is the most fair surface I have seen.Sure,some horses are going to love/hate it,but once that gets established(and it will) this track will be much more capper friendly.I don't see the huge inside/outside...speed/anti-speed biases on a daily basis that I have seen for the last 25 years. It is difficult only because you have horses trying it or the 1st time(that is difficult to cap.)The number of 1st timers on this surface will slowly go down though.The most bias I have seen was the day Gomez won on GN. GRP. MEETING.That was a day when speed was in trouble.The day after that,they went a bit too far the other way.Since then,I think it has been very fair.Even when the times were very fast,horses could close if frontrunners ran together.The biggest problem in capping this surface is not that some horses hate it(not that many do.)The biggest problem is that some horses love it too much,and they blow the race for many cappers.

[philcski]

Originally Posted by oracle80

You mean like a horse like St Stephen who cant stand up on dirt winning a graded stakes race on Polytrack like he just did?
yeah, I mean thats just another example of how this stuff has no relationship to dirt whatsoever.

How can you say for certain that St Stephen can't run on dirt?? he's run TWICE on it (hitting the board once), and not since he was 2, and he's a full brother to a dirt champion. I think it's kind of ridiculous to say he can't run on dirt.

[blackthroatedwind]

Saint Stephen will remain....all he lost he shall regain.

[philcski]

"Seashore washed by the suds and foam,
Been here so long he's got to calling it home."

[ArlJim78]

But what would be the answer to the answer man?

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by philcski

How can you say for certain that St Stephen can't run on dirt?? he's run TWICE on it (hitting the board once), and not since he was 2, and he's a full brother to a dirt champion. I think it's kind of ridiculous to say he can't run on dirt.

If you felt as good as these C. Clement horses,you could run on broken glass.

[philcski]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

If you felt as good as these C. Clement horses,you could run on broken glass.

He's a damn good trainer. Always wins at 20%, and I can't think of a single time he's been implicated (or even been suspected) for any funny business.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by philcski

He's a damn good trainer. Always wins at 20%, and I can't think of a single time he's been implicated (or even been suspected) for any funny business.

I'm confused, did this dude suggest Cristophe is a cheater?

That's funny. Sad....but funny. We got plenty of cheaters in NY but he isn't one of them.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Hay, oats, and water....