American Pharoah... what's next for our new Champion? (The Haskell)

[Merlinsky]

http://www.tmz.com/2015/06/18/julia-...rican-pharoah/

Apparently Julia Roberts is a fan. Took me aback for some reason but she's got a ranch and has ridden horses for things so I guess it shouldn't have. Also she was 33 when she won the Oscar? Geez. She's one of those people that even when she was younger she always seemed older.

[DonGuido]

Originally Posted by knickslions2

I wonder who will challenge him there if he goes. Most likely a small field. I would think Carpe Diem maybe would go but not sure else.

Or better to say what horse will be running with him. He may be "challenged" by a few older but even that is questionable unless he has an off day. At 9 to 10 furlongs who could beat him if he runs his normal race?

[Merlinsky]

Originally Posted by DonGuido

Or better to say what horse will be running with him. He may be "challenged" by a few older but even that is questionable unless he has an off day. At 9 to 10 furlongs who could beat him if he runs his normal race?

That's what's crazy and why the TC seemed certain somehow. How is anybody good enough? He wouldn't fold on any normal day. I wonder what the press would be doing with it if he'd won that first maiden attempt and been undefeated. It might help that he's not so there isn't some 'Is this the day he loses?' drama.

[DonGuido]

I've said it here before and I'll say it again . . . I don't think we've seen his best yet and the months coming up will tell us just how super this super horse is.

[letswastemoney]

Originally Posted by DonGuido

Or better to say what horse will be running with him. He may be "challenged" by a few older but even that is questionable unless he has an off day. At 9 to 10 furlongs who could beat him if he runs his normal race?

Even Secretariat lost against older horses. American Pharoah could lose against them too.

Against 3 year olds though, he's invincible.

[jnunan4759]

I think it's definitely Haskell and PA Derby. I know Steve doesn't like it, but it worked for Bob last year.

Maybe if he does go there we can emphasize the horrible 29% trifecta takeout. It's robbery. I thought it was the state, but after a year of calling my state rep found out that the state only takes 2.5% of ANY bet. The rest of the thievery is by the track and the PTHA. No big surprise when you realize the Horsemen's Assoc. is run by lawyers in shiny suits.

Thievery, plain and simple. 26.5% of your trifecta ticket off the top. 13% for me, Bob Green and 13% for you, Mike Balezzi. Let's go out and buy some shiny suits.

Do either of those two have any shame ? That's awful to do to people, especially horseplayers. I couldn't sleep at night.

PARX is a corrupt organization, always has been. It's a Lebanese money laundering operation and always has been. I knew it but raced there because there was nowhere else. I raced at Penn Nat, but that's even more corrupt.

[jnunan4759]

I remember back in the late 1990's that I was told Philadelphia Park had never paid any US taxes. I was told that they were in such dire straits they had to take an 18% mortgage and the the only one who would do that was the cousin of the Lebanese owner. This Lebanese owner, to my knowledge, has never seen PARX. Bob Green doesn't own PARX.

He took this huge tax deduction and sent millions back to Lebanon for years and years. And the PTHA stood by and bought in.

That's the real story.

[Benny]

I think it's definitely Haskell"

Its run on Sunday, and is Zayats' home track too.

[cakes44]

Originally Posted by jnunan4759

I remember back in the late 1990's that I was told Philadelphia Park had never paid any US taxes. I was told that they were in such dire straits they had to take an 18% mortgage and the the only one who would do that was the cousin of the Lebanese owner. This Lebanese owner, to my knowledge, has never seen PARX. Bob Green doesn't own PARX.

He took this huge tax deduction and sent millions back to Lebanon for years and years. And the PTHA stood by and bought in.

That's the real story.

Quit pu$$y footing around already. What are your true thoughts on Bob Green and Philadelphia Park?

[Benny]

Ahmed Zayat @jazz3162
@VinceStone11 right know Saratoga is in the lead. Head of Haskell @JustinZayat @ZayatStables @AshleyZayat8 @TheNYRA
4:53 PM - 18 Jun 2015

http://www.app.com/story/sports/2015...toga/28957893/

[Indian Charlie]

I would guess this is an effort to get bonus/appearance money out of MTH.

[Kasept]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

I would guess this is an effort to get bonus/appearance money out of MTH.

There's well publicized bonus money already in place.

[jms62]

What is the status on Dortmund he makes a lot of sense in the Haskell

[Kasept]

Originally Posted by jms62

What is the status on Dortmund he makes a lot of sense in the Haskell

Just worked a tighter half mile (:47+) the other day. Spring and the Classic tries took a lot out of him. Baffert getting weight back on and pleased with progress. Haskell is the working target with Los Al Derby seemingly out.

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by Kasept

There's well publicized bonus money already in place.

Thanks, I didn't realize that.

Originally Posted by Kasept

Just worked a tighter half mile (:47+) the other day. Spring and the Classic tries took a lot out of him. Baffert getting weight back on and pleased with progress. Haskell is the working target with Los Al Derby seemingly out.

That makes it seem even more unlikely that AP will go to MTH.

[DonGuido]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

That makes it seem even more unlikely that AP will go to MTH.

Why? All things normal, do you actually think Dortmund can beat him or are you thinking Bob wants a Dortmund win not a second or a third or a . . . ???

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by DonGuido

Why? All things normal, do you actually think Dortmund can beat him or are you thinking Bob wants a Dortmund win not a second or a third or a . . . ???

Dortmund had his chances to beat him. And of course Bob wants wins.

[jms62]

Originally Posted by DonGuido

Why? All things normal, do you actually think Dortmund can beat him or are you thinking Bob wants a Dortmund win not a second or a third or a . . . ???

Because Bob and owners would like first place purse money. The only time I see Dortmund lining up against Pharoh is in the Classic if both show enough form from here to have a realistic chance.

[Rupert Pupkin]

AP had his first workout since the Belmont this morning. He went three furlongs in :36 2/5.

http://www.drf.com/news/premium/amer...three-furlongs

[jnunan4759]

Good sign. He was kind of worked up in the SA parade on Saturday. That's understandable, horses are creatures of habit, like us, and that was an interruption of the normal.

If you look at it, it's perfect timing for 2 more works before the Haskell. If they were going to the Travers, no reason to do anymore than jog and gallop right now and start works in about 2-3 weeks..

Trainers don't "work" horses without a target. Unless he hit's a bump, I think that's the target for sure.