I want to meet the person that would pay this

By the way Euro, many here scoffed at First Samurai's price when it was announced.
Lansdon told me on Monday that hes already fully booked to over 100 mares and the seasons are selling in the open market at well above the stud fee.
Hes gonna have a real chance to make it. Between the Claiborne mares and the fact that hes already booked so they could pick and choose who was allowed to go to him instead of having to hustle to fill the book, hes gonna have every opportunity to make it in a big way.

Originally Posted by oracle80

By the way Euro, many here scoffed at First Samurai's price when it was announced.
Lansdon told me on Monday that hes already fully booked to over 100 mares and the seasons are selling in the open market at well above the stud fee.
Hes gonna have a real chance to make it. Between the Claiborne mares and the fact that hes already booked so they could pick and choose who was allowed to go to him instead of having to hustle to fill the book, hes gonna have every opportunity to make it in a big way.

What is FS fee? Also, who else does this farm that has AH have? I understand what you are saying and I agree. I guess I am trying to find a silver lining in this $12,500 price.

Originally Posted by eurobounce

What is FS fee? Also, who else does this farm that has AH have? I understand what you are saying and I agree. I guess I am trying to find a silver lining in this $12,500 price.

FS is 40 K

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by eurobounce

What is FS fee? Also, who else does this farm that has AH have? I understand what you are saying and I agree. I guess I am trying to find a silver lining in this $12,500 price.

They also stand Richter Scale. Andromeda's Hero is FuPeg's 2nd highest earner. Roman Ruler was 1st, obviously. This is JMO, but I think that AH will get better runners than Bandini... we'll have to wait and see.

First Samurai stands for $40k.

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

They also stand Richter Scale. Andromeda's Hero is FuPeg's 2nd highest earner. Roman Ruler was 1st, obviously. This is JMO, but I think that AH will get better runners than Bandini... we'll have to wait and see.

First Samurai stands for $40k.

I agree with Cajun. I think AH will be a nice sire. However, it is hard to justify is $12,500 based on what he did on the track. But I think he will do very well.

[SniperSB23]

This thread kind of shows how obsessed the game is with speed and unconcerned with soundness. This is a well bred horse that ran for 3 straight years racing in the biggest races out there without an injury which is becoming an extreme rarity in this sport. He may be slow but just by staying sound he made more money in his career than 99% of the horses out there will. In the long run I think we'll be better of with more Andromeda's Heros in the bloodlines than Sharp Humors.

[Cajungator26]

Off topic with AH, but did everyone read this as well?

http://www.thoroughbredtimes.com/tod...68144&subsec=6

Gibson County is a nice looking horse! I didn't realize they had planned on gelding him...

[Buffymommy]

I do think the price is high. If I had a very speedy mare, maybe but not for that price.

[Linny]

The issue I have with AH is his lack of "will to win." Look at some of his races, most in fact. The jock has to ride the fur off him to get him to accelerate. He had no interest in exerting himself to catch or pass a rival. He had no gate speed to assure he was in front at any point. He just seemed indifferent to the whole thing.
I'd rather breed to a tenacious horse with lesser breeding and take my chances that I'd get a runner, a beast that wanted to beat horses.

Originally Posted by Linny

The issue I have with AH is his lack of "will to win." Look at some of his races, most in fact. The jock has to ride the fur off him to get him to accelerate. He had no interest in exerting himself to catch or pass a rival. He had no gate speed to assure he was in front at any point. He just seemed indifferent to the whole thing.
I'd rather breed to a tenacious horse with lesser breeding and take my chances that I'd get a runner, a beast that wanted to beat horses.

Well you could have a storm cat that will be unsound or you could have an AH who will more than likely be sound. I agree that the $12,5 is too high, but I think we will be surprised. Breeding isnt an exact science, so we so not know who we will get.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by Linny

The issue I have with AH is his lack of "will to win." Look at some of his races, most in fact. The jock has to ride the fur off him to get him to accelerate. He had no interest in exerting himself to catch or pass a rival. He had no gate speed to assure he was in front at any point. He just seemed indifferent to the whole thing.
I'd rather breed to a tenacious horse with lesser breeding and take my chances that I'd get a runner, a beast that wanted to beat horses.

The chances that he passes on his lack of desire to win are slim to none IMO. FuPeg was what I consider "tenacious" and he didn't pass on that tenacity to AH...

You just never know what you're going to get... a lot depends on the mare. I do believe that $12,500 is too high, but I believe he will get some nice runners, but we'll have to wait and see. He's definitely a nice looking horse.

[Pedigree Ann]

Originally Posted by Linny

The issue I have with AH is his lack of "will to win." Look at some of his races, most in fact. The jock has to ride the fur off him to get him to accelerate. He had no interest in exerting himself to catch or pass a rival. He had no gate speed to assure he was in front at any point. He just seemed indifferent to the whole thing.
I'd rather breed to a tenacious horse with lesser breeding and take my chances that I'd get a runner, a beast that wanted to beat horses.

I don't think it was the will that was lacking, it was the acceleration. AH was a traditional one-paced horse. He has one gear and depends on the speed dying on a fast lead and/or and extended distance to win races. Against lower class horses, his one pace is fast enough to pass the others in the stretch - they are tiring more than better class speed horses do. He would have been a natural for the 1950s, where there were a wealth of main track stakes races for stayers. Remember - when grading started, the Jockey Club Gold Cup was 2 miles and the Gallant Fox (13f) was a G2.

This staying style is from Mum's side; his dam's only win was at 12f over the All Weather in England. His second dam was a SW who placed in the CCA Oaks (then 12f) and his second dam was second to Ruffian in the same classic (still 12f).