Town to Behead People Who Don't Pray 5 Times a Day

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

I'm glad I don't live in this town. They will behead you if you don't pray 5 times a day.


http://www.foxnews.com/story/0%2C293...4817%2C00.html

Don't forget that the Religious Right is just as bad. Do you know how I know? I know because Rosie O'Donnel and Genuine Risk told me. LOL.

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

Don't forget that the Religious Right is just as bad. Do you know how I know? I know because Rosie O'Donnel and Genuine Risk told me. LOL.

Don't forget to add my name to that list! Another piece of garbage from Repent, and I find it interesting that you agree! The are two "small" problems with that point of view...first, I believe these folks in charge came to power as part of the control of said area by radical militia forces, not because they represent the views of the town. So, they are imposing their bastardized "faith" on folks who lived there before them and believe differently...how again is that fair? But more importantly (and here is where I'll get incoming fire), they are indeed like elements of the so-called Christian right...a matter of degree perhaps but the same bastardization of religious principles! Lets make this simple so folks don't ask me what I'm saying....Belief in a set of religious principles DOES NOT give someone the right to harm another! In a free society...each person should be totally free to believe (or not believe) as their conscience dictates but belief DOES NOT equate to power over another!! There is only one moral justification for taking a human life...self-defense or defense of innocent others! Cutting off a person's head because they only prayed 4x one day instead of 5 does not quite qualify...I don't give a damn what their so-called canon law states! And wishing death on someone because they are gay or practice another religion doesn't make the grade either!! When religion is used as a justification for murder, it becomes malignant...and meaningless! Not the core principles of the religion itself, but it's use!

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by somerfrost

Don't forget to add my name to that list! Another piece of garbage from Repent, and I find it interesting that you agree! The are two "small" problems with that point of view...first, I believe these folks in charge came to power as part of the control of said area by radical militia forces, not because they represent the views of the town. So, they are imposing their bastardized "faith" on folks who lived there before them and believe differently...how again is that fair? But more importantly (and here is where I'll get incoming fire), they are indeed like elements of the so-called Christian right...a matter of degree perhaps but the same bastardization of religious principles! Lets make this simple so folks don't ask me what I'm saying....Belief in a set of religious principles DOES NOT give someone the right to harm another! In a free society...each person should be totally free to believe (or not believe) as their conscience dictates but belief DOES NOT equate to power over another!! There is only one moral justification for taking a human life...self-defense or defense of innocent others! Cutting off a person's head because they only prayed 4x one day instead of 5 does not quite qualify...I don't give a damn what their so-called canon law states! And wishing death on someone because they are gay or practice another religion doesn't make the grade either!! When religion is used as a justification for murder, it becomes malignant...and meaningless! Not the core principles of the religion itself, but it's use!

I agree for the most part, Somer... but Somalia is hardly a "free society." God will judge those who judge others... just my personal opinion.

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

I agree for the most part, Somer... but Somalia is hardly a "free society." God will judge those who judge others... just my personal opinion.

No...not a free society at all, I was referring to the comments by another poster ridiculing the comparison of some elements of the Christian right to radical Islamists. The butchers in the Sudan, these murderers...all will be accountable for their acts but that doesn't mean we should do nothing! There is evil in the world and it must be fought...we will never defeat evil but we must defeat those who do it's bidding...to sit back and do nothing while innocent people are slaughtered is perverse!

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by somerfrost

Don't forget to add my name to that list! Another piece of garbage from Repent, and I find it interesting that you agree! The are two "small" problems with that point of view...first, I believe these folks in charge came to power as part of the control of said area by radical militia forces, not because they represent the views of the town. So, they are imposing their bastardized "faith" on folks who lived there before them and believe differently...how again is that fair? But more importantly (and here is where I'll get incoming fire), they are indeed like elements of the so-called Christian right...a matter of degree perhaps but the same bastardization of religious principles! Lets make this simple so folks don't ask me what I'm saying....Belief in a set of religious principles DOES NOT give someone the right to harm another! In a free society...each person should be totally free to believe (or not believe) as their conscience dictates but belief DOES NOT equate to power over another!! There is only one moral justification for taking a human life...self-defense or defense of innocent others! Cutting off a person's head because they only prayed 4x one day instead of 5 does not quite qualify...I don't give a damn what their so-called canon law states! And wishing death on someone because they are gay or practice another religion doesn't make the grade either!! When religion is used as a justification for murder, it becomes malignant...and meaningless! Not the core principles of the religion itself, but it's use!

Somer, I was totally kidding when I agreed with Repent and it is obvios that he was totally kidding.

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

Somer, I was totally kidding when I agreed with Repent and it is obvios that he was totally kidding.

The question of whether Repent is kidding or totally serious is NOT obvious by any means! He has consistently held similar views over a number of years...he may in fact simply enjoy "stirring the pot" but has NEVER admitted such therefore when he posts such garbage, it has to be answered...if that plays into his fantasy so be it!

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by somerfrost

The question of whether Repent is kidding or totally serious is NOT obvious by any means! He has consistently held similar views over a number of years...he may in fact simply enjoy "stirring the pot" but has NEVER admitted such therefore when he posts such garbage, it has to be answered...if that plays into his fantasy so be it!

There are times when I'm not sure whether he's kidding or not, but in this case I think it is obvious that he was kidding. I don't think there is anyone that could possibly agree with that new law in Somalia with the exception of the most radical people of that particular religion.

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

There are times when I'm not sure whether he's kidding or not, but in this case I think it is obvious that he was kidding. I don't think there is anyone that could possibly agree with that new law in Somalia with the exception of the most radical people of that particular religion.

Well, he has repeatedly stated that we are all required, as "loyal Americans", to blindly follow Bush without question no matter the result...and those that don't are traitors and should be either exiled or put to death...not much difference I'm afraid!

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by somerfrost

Well, he has repeatedly stated that we are all required, as "loyal Americans", to blindly follow Bush without question no matter the result...and those that don't are traitors and should be either exiled or put to death...not much difference I'm afraid!

I must have missed out on some exciting Repent posts... I don't even think I've ever read that one! LMAO

[repent]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

Somer, I was totally kidding when I agreed with Repent and it is obvios that he was totally kidding.

sorry Richi,
I was not kidding.
I admire the Sheik.
sounds like a cool dude.


Repent

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by somerfrost

Don't forget to add my name to that list! Another piece of garbage from Repent, and I find it interesting that you agree! The are two "small" problems with that point of view...first, I believe these folks in charge came to power as part of the control of said area by radical militia forces, not because they represent the views of the town. So, they are imposing their bastardized "faith" on folks who lived there before them and believe differently...how again is that fair? But more importantly (and here is where I'll get incoming fire), they are indeed like elements of the so-called Christian right...a matter of degree perhaps but the same bastardization of religious principles! Lets make this simple so folks don't ask me what I'm saying....Belief in a set of religious principles DOES NOT give someone the right to harm another! In a free society...each person should be totally free to believe (or not believe) as their conscience dictates but belief DOES NOT equate to power over another!! There is only one moral justification for taking a human life...self-defense or defense of innocent others! Cutting off a person's head because they only prayed 4x one day instead of 5 does not quite qualify...I don't give a damn what their so-called canon law states! And wishing death on someone because they are gay or practice another religion doesn't make the grade either!! When religion is used as a justification for murder, it becomes malignant...and meaningless! Not the core principles of the religion itself, but it's use!

i agree completely with this. i thank my lucky stars every day that i live here. i cannot even begin to imagine what life must be like in some of these other countries. it's frustrating at times dealing with chauvinism here, but here is NOTHING like other countries. covered head to toe, no freedom of movement, no voting, no working (that alone would drive me insane)...societies where women are still considered one more piece of property. or women are killed if they are raped, so as not to bring 'shame' on their family.

[GenuineRisk]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

Don't forget that the Religious Right is just as bad. Do you know how I know? I know because Rosie O'Donnel and Genuine Risk told me. LOL.

Rupert, kindly put me on the list of posters you ignore. If you're going to misunderstand my posts to that extent, you're not allowed to read them anymore.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by GenuineRisk

Rupert, kindly put me on the list of posters you ignore. If you're going to misunderstand my posts to that extent, you're not allowed to read them anymore.

GR, Do I need to remind you what your quote was yesterday? Your quote was that "Fundamentalist Christianity and fundamentalist Islam are more alike than they are different." That was your quote.

And now you get mad at me when I say that you said the Relgious Right is just as bad as the extreme Muslims? I don't get it.

[GenuineRisk]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

GR, Do I need to remind you what your quote was yesterday? Your quote was that "Fundamentalist Christianity and fundamentalist Islam are more alike than they are different." That was your quote.

And now you get mad at me when I say that you said the Relgious Right is just as bad as the extreme Muslims? I don't get it.

Well, at least you understood the ignore request was a joke... I think... that's progress.

Rupert, do some research on where fundamentalist Christians and fundamentalist Muslims stand on women, birth control, gays, and the role of religion in government and get back to me. I think you'll find they have remarkably similar positions on these topics, they just differ on how often you pray and who the big prophet was.

My point from that earlier post was, we need to be just as firm with our home-grown, Christian terrorists as we are with foreign, Muslim ones, else we look like hypocrites. Our "war" should not be against Islam, it should be against religious extremism, no matter what religion that extremism wraps itself in. And we should couch it in those terms, because then the moderates of all faiths will get behind us, knowing we're not attacking "their" religion; we're attacking those who would attempt to harm anyone's right to practice any faith freely and openly.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by GenuineRisk

Well, at least you understood the ignore request was a joke... I think... that's progress.

Rupert, do some research on where fundamentalist Christians and fundamentalist Muslims stand on women, birth control, gays, and the role of religion in government and get back to me. I think you'll find they have remarkably similar positions on these topics, they just differ on how often you pray and who the big prophet was.

My point from that earlier post was, we need to be just as firm with our home-grown, Christian terrorists as we are with foreign, Muslim ones, else we look like hypocrites. Our "war" should not be against Islam, it should be against religious extremism, no matter what religion that extremism wraps itself in. And we should couch it in those terms, because then the moderates of all faiths will get behind us, knowing we're not attacking "their" religion; we're attacking those who would attempt to harm anyone's right to practice any faith freely and openly.

I don't think you can compare the two religions. One group tells people that they should repent from their sins. But it is your choice whether or not you choose to repent. If you don't want to repent, that is your choice. The other religion will tell you what to do and if you don't do it they will kill you. That is a huge difference.

I'll give you analogy. A father tells his son that he should not smoke marijuana. He tells his son that he thinks marijuana is harmful and that it's not a good idea to smoke it. But if his son chooses to smoke it any way, that is his decision.

Another father tells his son not to smoke marijuana and makes it clear that if his son does smoke it that he will literally murder him in cold blood. The father is serious and will murder his son with a butcher knife if he catches him smoking marijuana.

I don't think it would be fair to say that the two fathers are pretty much the same because they don't want their kids to smoke marijuana. The two fathers are not the same at all.

[GenuineRisk]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

I don't think you can compare the two religions. One group tells people that they should repent from their sins. But it is your choice whether or not you choose to repent. If you don't want to repent, that is your choice. The other religion will tell you what to do and if you don't do it they will kill you. That is a huge difference.

I'll give you analogy. A father tells his son that he should not smoke marijuana. He tells his son that he thinks marijuana is harmful and that it's not a good idea to smoke it. But if his son chooses to smoke it any way, that is his decision.

Another father tells his son not to smoke marijuana and makes it clear that if his son does smoke it that he will literally murder him in cold blood. The father is serious and will murder his son with a butcher knife if he catches him smoking marijuana.

I don't think it would be fair to say that the two fathers are pretty much the same because they don't want their kids to smoke marijuana. The two fathers are not the same at all.

Rupert, that's about as bad a mischaracterization of Islam as ever I've seen. The fact that you think honestly think Islam advocates killing nonbelievers any more or less than Christianity does is mind-boggling and a testament to the effectiveness of right-wing media. As DTS said, take a look at Christianity's history and you'll see several movements by some of its misguided followers to kill off non-believers, several of said movements being directed against Moslems. Fundamentalists are violent. Islam and Christianity are not.

For the love of Pete, go take a World Religions class or something. "The other religion will tell you what to do and if you don't do it they will kill you."????? That's what you think Islam is? Oh, God help us. I'd laugh if it didn't make me feel so very sad and hopeless for the world, because sadly, I don't think you're alone in this country in your insistance on villifying any religion besides your own.

And what about your heroine, Ann Coulter, saying, in the wake of 9/11, "We should invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them all to Christianity." How does that tie in with your insistance that, "One group tells people that they should repent from their sins. But it is your choice whether or not you choose to repent."????

[Downthestretch55]

[quote=GenuineRisk]Rupert, that's about as bad a mischaracterization of Islam as ever I've seen. The fact that you think honestly think Islam advocates killing nonbelievers any more or less than Christianity does is mind-boggling and a testament to the effectiveness of right-wing media. As DTS said, take a look at Christianity's history and you'll see several movements by some of its misguided followers to kill off non-believers, several of said movements being directed against Moslems. Fundamentalists are violent. Islam and Christianity are not.

For the love of Pete, go take a World Religions class or something. "The other religion will tell you what to do and if you don't do it they will kill you."????? That's what you think Islam is? Oh, God help us. I'd laugh if it didn't make me feel so very sad and hopeless for the world, because sadly, I don't think you're alone in this country in your insistance on villifying any religion besides your own.
GR,
Sometimes it seems like you're shouting words against the wind. Sorry.
To me, it's a bit amusing that those that seek to justify due to their overwhelming knowledge ignor the fact that after Indonesia, India has the second highest Moslem population, 150 million (that's half of the total US population).
So what's next? Attack India?
Crazy stuff!
DTS

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by GenuineRisk

Rupert, that's about as bad a mischaracterization of Islam as ever I've seen. The fact that you think honestly think Islam advocates killing nonbelievers any more or less than Christianity does is mind-boggling and a testament to the effectiveness of right-wing media. As DTS said, take a look at Christianity's history and you'll see several movements by some of its misguided followers to kill off non-believers, several of said movements being directed against Moslems. Fundamentalists are violent. Islam and Christianity are not.

For the love of Pete, go take a World Religions class or something. "The other religion will tell you what to do and if you don't do it they will kill you."????? That's what you think Islam is? Oh, God help us. I'd laugh if it didn't make me feel so very sad and hopeless for the world, because sadly, I don't think you're alone in this country in your insistance on villifying any religion besides your own.

And what about your heroine, Ann Coulter, saying, in the wake of 9/11, "We should invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them all to Christianity." How does that tie in with your insistance that, "One group tells people that they should repent from their sins. But it is your choice whether or not you choose to repent."????

Any Christians that would kill non-believers are just as bad as Muslims who would kill non-believers. I'm not denying that.

I don't know what Christians or Muslims did hundreds of years ago. All I know is what I see in the world right now. I don't see Christians killing non-believers.

I can't speak for Ann Coulter. I would have to think she was kidding but if she wasn't then she's crazy.

I feel sad for you if you think that the Christian Right(in this country today) wants to kill gays and non-believers. Sadly, I don't think you're alone in your belief. That is why there are plenty of liberals out there that think the Christian Right are some kind of terrible people. They actually think that a guy like Jerry Fallwell is comparable to Bin Laden.