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12-06-2006, 10:00 PM
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My favorite part is that the article lists him as a full to Superfly.
Superfly? Superfly? LMFAO!!!!!!! 
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12-06-2006, 10:07 PM
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His claim to fame would have to be, seriously, a distant second to Discreet Cat in that one's debut. Actually, I was referring to Superfly. As far as Andromeda's Hero, I think he won a Grade 3 stake late last year at Calder, maybe the Fred Hooper. Last edited by blackthroatedwind : 12-06-2006 at 10:12 PM.
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12-06-2006, 11:30 PM
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His breeding isnt bad. Who knows how his off-spring will do on the track. Maybe talent skipped him, but maybe he can pass it on to his babies. He has a little too much inbreeding for me but who doesnt these days. He did sell for $310k so who knows. But I wouldnt pay $12,500 for him.
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12-07-2006, 06:33 AM
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Agree with eurobounce. I wouldn't pay 12,500 either, but I don't think the price is *all* that ridiculous, based on the current ridiculous market. His pedigree isn't bad at all. Had 24 starts, most of them graded stakes. Did he retire sound? I don't remember hearing about any soundness issues with him.(I really don't remember) At least he showed up to most of the big dances. Wasn't ever the best dancer, but he was consistent. (sure, mostly consistently, uh.....slow, but he did grab some paychecks here and there)
Give him a break, you guys! Suzanne
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12-07-2006, 06:40 AM
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He had no speed, and 12,500 is still one hell of a lot of money. He's the kinda horse who may have done well in a niche market, not in Ky at 12,500. He'll end up in a niche market at 3500 or 5000 in a few years, but only after hes wasted 2-3 years languishing at a ridiculous price in KY.
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12-06-2006, 10:14 PM
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BINGO!!!!!! Ochoco stands in Oregon for 2k I think
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12-07-2006, 08:12 AM
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Euro,
People don't just pay for blood anymore. A horse like Bandini is standing for 17,500 and he won a grade one, had speed, and won some more decent races. Who wouldn't just pay the extra 5 grand and I think THATS a lotta money for Bandini. So many sires get wasted because they attempt to stand in Kentucky. Kentucky has so many sires that people wanna go to, that smaller stallions get lost in the shuffle and end up with a lousy book of mares. Many bigger operations wil attempt to make a sire like this but they have a big advantage. First of all they have an abundance of good mares that they can breed the horse to in order to support him, and often they will use the big names to get people to breed to the sire they are trying to make. What I mean by this is lets say Joe Schmoe calls up and submits three mares to try and go to a big stallion. Stallion manager may call back and say we can approve this one, and the other two arent good enough but if you breed one of these two to "so and so" our new stallion then we can approve the other one to the big stallion. Thats how it works very often. Making a stallion is an art that requires luck, marketing, and an abundance of good mares of your own or clients you can require to breed to one in exchange for acess to another stallion. You'll also notice that the bigger operations keep many of the foals of the initial three crops to race themselves that they don't try and sell. They have big name trainers they send these horses to in order to try and get wins with them in the first three crops. Just buying stallions and standing them for a price doesn't work, it simply doesnt.
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12-07-2006, 08:18 AM
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By the way Euro, many here scoffed at First Samurai's price when it was announced.
Lansdon told me on Monday that hes already fully booked to over 100 mares and the seasons are selling in the open market at well above the stud fee. Hes gonna have a real chance to make it. Between the Claiborne mares and the fact that hes already booked so they could pick and choose who was allowed to go to him instead of having to hustle to fill the book, hes gonna have every opportunity to make it in a big way.
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First Samurai stands for $40k.
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12-07-2006, 08:27 AM
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I don't think he's worth the $12,500, but there have been plenty of supposed "failures" on the track that have gone on to become nice sires. JMO... (By the way, I don't like FuPeg, so there would be NO interest in AH for me.)
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