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Old 12-06-2006, 08:55 PM
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I just don't understand why people don't stand horses like this one and Sharp Humor in a place like NY where Distorted Humor blood and Fu Peg blood would be a fresh thing, and where people might actually support these stallions.
It simply makes no sense to me to stand a horse in Ky at 12,500 when you know they will be up against it commercially and be competing against the best.
But what folks do is stand em and figure that out THEN send em to a place like NY when they are already perceived as cold commercially.
You'd think a state with a breeding program like Ny's would be able to attract some decent stallions right off the track instead of having to wait for perceived failures. I wish someone could explain this to me.
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Old 12-06-2006, 08:57 PM
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I just don't understand why people don't stand horses like this one and Sharp Humor in a place like NY where Distorted Humor blood and Fu Peg blood would be a fresh thing, and where people might actually support these stallions.
It simply makes no sense to me to stand a horse in Ky at 12,500 when you know they will be up against it commercially and be competing against the best.
But what folks do is stand em and figure that out THEN send em to a place like NY when they are already perceived as cold commercially.
You'd think a state with a breeding program like Ny's would be able to attract some decent stallions right off the track instead of having to wait for perceived failures. I wish someone could explain this to me.
SEND EM TO ILLINOIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Old 12-06-2006, 09:01 PM
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I just don't understand why people don't stand horses like this one and Sharp Humor in a place like NY where Distorted Humor blood and Fu Peg blood would be a fresh thing, and where people might actually support these stallions.
It simply makes no sense to me to stand a horse in Ky at 12,500 when you know they will be up against it commercially and be competing against the best.
But what folks do is stand em and figure that out THEN send em to a place like NY when they are already perceived as cold commercially.
You'd think a state with a breeding program like Ny's would be able to attract some decent stallions right off the track instead of having to wait for perceived failures. I wish someone could explain this to me.
I agree with you 100% on this.

I'd pay $12,500...











to see who would actually pay $12,500 for An-beatenlikea-drumeda's Hero!
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Old 12-06-2006, 09:06 PM
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For heaven's sake, Mighty Magee is a better sire than him.
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Old 12-06-2006, 09:29 PM
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I just don't understand why people don't stand horses like this one and Sharp Humor in a place like NY where Distorted Humor blood and Fu Peg blood would be a fresh thing, and where people might actually support these stallions.
It simply makes no sense to me to stand a horse in Ky at 12,500 when you know they will be up against it commercially and be competing against the best.
But what folks do is stand em and figure that out THEN send em to a place like NY when they are already perceived as cold commercially.
You'd think a state with a breeding program like Ny's would be able to attract some decent stallions right off the track instead of having to wait for perceived failures. I wish someone could explain this to me.
LaPenta sold him to the group that is standing him and supposedly they know what they are doing, but I can think of plenty of good horses with better records and a bit of interest in racing, that I could get for for alot less money.
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Old 12-06-2006, 10:48 PM
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How many mares will he cover in 2007??



My guess is 10 max, and the people that breed to him are probally the jockey and trainers that got free breedings for the Graded placings he earned. Poor horse will never get to bust a load
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Old 12-06-2006, 10:53 PM
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He'll get more then 10 because their will be some people trying to squeeze every drop of the Mr. Prospector line out of him.......
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Old 12-06-2006, 11:00 PM
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My favorite part is that the article lists him as a full to Superfly.


Superfly?


Superfly?




LMFAO!!!!!!!
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Old 12-06-2006, 11:05 PM
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Is that horse even a stakes winner? I didn't even see that in the article......
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Old 12-06-2006, 11:07 PM
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Is that horse even a stakes winner? I didn't even see that in the article......

His claim to fame would have to be, seriously, a distant second to Discreet Cat in that one's debut.

Actually, I was referring to Superfly. As far as Andromeda's Hero, I think he won a Grade 3 stake late last year at Calder, maybe the Fred Hooper.

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Old 12-07-2006, 01:29 AM
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Is that horse even a stakes winner? I didn't even see that in the article......
Superfly's claim to fame is that he ran 2nd to discreet cat LMAO
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Old 12-07-2006, 09:10 AM
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My favorite part is that the article lists him as a full to Superfly.


Superfly?


Superfly?




LMFAO!!!!!!!
Would anyone consider a claim if Zito entered him in a 20k claimer?
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Old 12-07-2006, 09:16 AM
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Would anyone consider a claim if Zito entered him in a 20k claimer?
Lets not get ridiculous now.
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Old 12-06-2006, 11:14 PM
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He'll get more then 10 because their will be some people trying to squeeze every drop of the Mr. Prospector line out of him.......

BINGO!!!!!!

Ochoco stands in Oregon for 2k I think
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Old 12-07-2006, 09:12 AM
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Euro,
People don't just pay for blood anymore. A horse like Bandini is standing for 17,500 and he won a grade one, had speed, and won some more decent races.
Who wouldn't just pay the extra 5 grand and I think THATS a lotta money for Bandini.
So many sires get wasted because they attempt to stand in Kentucky. Kentucky has so many sires that people wanna go to, that smaller stallions get lost in the shuffle and end up with a lousy book of mares.
Many bigger operations wil attempt to make a sire like this but they have a big advantage. First of all they have an abundance of good mares that they can breed the horse to in order to support him, and often they will use the big names to get people to breed to the sire they are trying to make.
What I mean by this is lets say Joe Schmoe calls up and submits three mares to try and go to a big stallion. Stallion manager may call back and say we can approve this one, and the other two arent good enough but if you breed one of these two to "so and so" our new stallion then we can approve the other one to the big stallion.
Thats how it works very often.
Making a stallion is an art that requires luck, marketing, and an abundance of good mares of your own or clients you can require to breed to one in exchange for acess to another stallion. You'll also notice that the bigger operations keep many of the foals of the initial three crops to race themselves that they don't try and sell. They have big name trainers they send these horses to in order to try and get wins with them in the first three crops.
Just buying stallions and standing them for a price doesn't work, it simply doesnt.
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Old 12-07-2006, 09:18 AM
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By the way Euro, many here scoffed at First Samurai's price when it was announced.
Lansdon told me on Monday that hes already fully booked to over 100 mares and the seasons are selling in the open market at well above the stud fee.
Hes gonna have a real chance to make it. Between the Claiborne mares and the fact that hes already booked so they could pick and choose who was allowed to go to him instead of having to hustle to fill the book, hes gonna have every opportunity to make it in a big way.
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Old 12-07-2006, 09:27 AM
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He'll get more then 10 because their will be some people trying to squeeze every drop of the Mr. Prospector line out of him.......
I agree, Scav...

I don't think he's worth the $12,500, but there have been plenty of supposed "failures" on the track that have gone on to become nice sires. JMO...

(By the way, I don't like FuPeg, so there would be NO interest in AH for me.)
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Old 12-07-2006, 12:24 AM
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I just don't understand why people don't stand horses like this one and Sharp Humor in a place like NY where Distorted Humor blood and Fu Peg blood would be a fresh thing, and where people might actually support these stallions.
It simply makes no sense to me to stand a horse in Ky at 12,500 when you know they will be up against it commercially and be competing against the best.
But what folks do is stand em and figure that out THEN send em to a place like NY when they are already perceived as cold commercially.
You'd think a state with a breeding program like Ny's would be able to attract some decent stallions right off the track instead of having to wait for perceived failures. I wish someone could explain this to me.
I have the same question. My only thought is that a KY bred is "worth" more than a NY bred in the eyes of the sellers. I dont agree by no means, but that is all I can think of.
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