Weekend Stakes Beyers

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by Kasept

Freddy.. Champagne winner was more than 3 full seconds faster. 29 points is the scale spread. How much bigger should the Frizette number be? If the filly ran say an 83, that would mean the colt ran a 112? And if you want to make track condition an hour after the Frizette an issue, with it drying out, it would almost certainly be slower for the Champagne, not faster. Don't know how the Frizette can come up any better than it did.

You don't think tracks change speed, especially on a very sloppy main track? The race in between was nowhere near the Champagne either. Are those horses really more than 2 seconds slower than two year olds going long for the first time? How does the Frizette compare to race 7?

[Kasept]

No CJ.. I don't believe tracks change speed...

Of course it's subject to change on a day like Saturday and the boys and girls are likely closer in performance levels than the raw figures indicate. We'll see how close. As Andy suggests, expectations for those fillies was overblown..

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by Kasept

No CJ.. I don't believe tracks change speed...

Of course it's subject to change on a day like Saturday and the boys and girls are likely closer in performance levels than the raw figures indicate. We'll see how close. As Andy suggests, expectations for those fillies was overblown..

You are probably right, but I just find it odd most people are pretending the 7th race didn't exist. That was a pretty decent group of solid horses, and also pretty consistent speed wise. It made for a good comparison to both races.

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

You are probably right, but I just find it odd most people are pretending the 7th race didn't exist. That was a pretty decent group of solid horses, and also pretty consistent speed wise. It made for a good comparison to both races.

I noticed your figs for the winners of the Champagne and Frizette are not far off, obviously because of the significant differences in pace. I think the strength of that Frizette pace is what has been lost a little bit in the post-race analysis.

[freddymo]

The expectations of the fillies may have been too lofty. I dont think its a bad group at all and I think several have a graded stakes future, the 78 fig tends to paint them in a horrendous light.