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Originally Posted by SniperSB23

A finished Livan still managed to put up just as good ERAs as Lohse the past two years and had a much better record. I agree that Livan will never be as good as he was but if he is available for one year and Lohse isn't then I think it is a much better deal for the Mets.

You know as well as I do that wins and losses are a poor measuring stick especially for middle of the road pitchers. Loshe was much better than Livan was last year.

Loshe- 192 innings 207 hits 57 bbs 122 k's 4.62 ERA hitters had a .279 avge against and .339 OBP

Livan- 204 Innings 247 hits 79 bbs 90 k's 4.93 era hitters batted .308 with a .371 OPB.

When you consider that Loshe played in Cincy and then Philly last year which are 2 stone cold hitters parks and considering that he played with an awful Cincy defense behind him for most of the year the edge is even greater. Livan used to K around 180 in a similar amount of innings, that drop is a horrible sign for a guy who allows as many hits as he does. He seems to be suffering from pitching 250 innings a year all these years. The Livan of 3 or 4 years ago is much better than Loshe ever was but he looks cooked.