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Originally Posted by somerfrost
Mrs Z, I agree with everything you just said! Certainly the people that raise a child are seen by that child as parents and they see that child as "their's". In a world where there are so many unloved and unwanted children, adoption is a wonderful thing...all that is 100% true. But the reason so many folks see having a child as a "right" and feeling that they can satisfy a "want" by having a child is the fact that responsibility is left by the wayside. Some folks here see my point as "not worth arguing" and that's sad! Often times, things that seem stupid on the surface only seem so because of our mindsets...a product of our socialization...I might be so bold as to call it brainwashing! Human life and responsibility that comes with free will are not simplistic concepts to be brushed aside because of some "soundbite" philosophy. It cannot be denied that this man is the biological father of the two children who were created via the introduction of his sperm, the question then becomes is he responsible for his acts? I say "yes" others, while preaching responsibility when it comes to crime and other life choices, say "no" and that confounds me! Of course it becomes a complex issue...what about adoption and other issues that arise? They are each issues separate but connected to the original concept of personal responsibility. Just as some poster feels inclined to state the obvious...that all abortions are not an "easy fix", what about the cases where the mother's life hangs in the balance, what about rape etc.? Again, separate but obviously connected issues. BUT, my point is that you can't justify avoiding responsibility for your acts by pointing out possible ramifications related to the status quo anymore than you can justify abortion in general based on arguments about rape and mother's health. Society should not be the deciding force with these issues...they are personal choices. If you create a child and deny responsibility for same...that's your responsibility...your free will...and the consequences are your's as well. Same with abortion...you decide to have an abortion...the consequences are your's. Unfortunately, we need laws to govern us because folks won't always do the right thing. Hopefully the laws of man will be morally correct, in this instance the Pa court made a decision that I agree with, others disagree. I have made my point the best I can, I would feel the same if the court decided differently.
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Somer: you are confounded,to be sure! Let's put aside our purported understanding of each other and see what you stated in one paragraph. "Society should not be the deciding force with these issues...they are personal choices" and "Unfortunately, we need laws to govern us because folks won't always do the right thing". What is the Left's credo..."you can't legislate morality" And yet you agree that some laws(which may be unpopular) must be established...for our own good! I don't like abortion(with the usual exceptions) and I dislike the Govt having to pay for the indescretions of the hedonists who don't take precautions. You got to the same place...how,I'll never know. It is my understanding that a sperm bank was to be a beneficial avenue for childless couples. It grew to include females(and males on occasion) who wanted a child without the "unwieldy" restraints of traditional homelife. No problem. This is where your idea on sperm banks comes in(as yet unexplained). It is inconceivable to me that you could expect the simple issue of sperm to force fatherhood on a donor. The partners(gay or otherwise) form the parental duo...and the sole responsibility for financial support should be on the "partnered couple" unless they go on welfare. And btw....you didn't answer my last post and query...how unscholarly of you
