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12-03-2010, 08:02 AM
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Others I've projected:
Affirmed: Ky Derby 116, Preakness 115, Belmont 118 Alydar: Ky Derby 114, Preakness 115, Belmont 118 Spectacular Bid: Ky Derby 119, Preakness 120, Belmont 111 Seattle Slew: Ky Derby 108, Preakness 112, Belmont 107 Damascus: Preakness 111 Dr. Fager: Jersey Derby 116 A few really old ones that pre-date Ragozin numbers and are silly to even attempt to guess at but looked fast: * Whirlaway's 8 length KY Derby victory in track record time: The final time was 50 full points faster than the days other route - a $1,000-to-$1,250 claiming race for older males. Your avg winning Beyer of a typical bottom level claiming route for older males at a decent caliber track today is 67. Adding 50 would get you to 117. You had four other routes the day Whirlaway won the Preakness - that race looks in a 106 to 112 range. * Swaps ran 49 points faster in his KY Derby win than an open 5K CLM route for straight 3yo males in the days lone other dirt route. Considering the year was 1955 .. there's a chance that race might possibly be as fast as a 120. * Man O' War's Preakness was five points faster than a solid winning older male named Irish Kiss ran that day. Irish Kiss was 3rd by 2 at 16/1 last out to a horse named Boniface - Boniface was subsquently 2nd in that years Brooklyn and Suburban. I would guess his Preakness to be in like a 106 to 114 range. His Belmont to be in a 110 to 118 range. It's pretty remarkable that Secretariat has such an edge over everyone over the course of the whole Triple Crown series. There certainly have been better entire careers imo - but put 126lbs on them, make them go 9.5 to 12fs in the middle of the 3yo season, and he really does stand out. 
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12-03-2010, 08:04 AM
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* Swaps ran 49 points faster in his KY Derby win than an open 5K CLM route for straight 3yo males in the days lone other dirt route. Considering the year was 1955 .. there's a chance that race might possibly be as fast as a 120.
Erb lives in Saratoga and is a family friend. Says Swaps was the best horse he ever rode and it was amazing being on him.
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12-03-2010, 09:25 AM
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Who was the second fastest horse he ever rode?
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Just more nebulous nonsense from BBB
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12-03-2010, 09:29 AM
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Fun to talk to that's for sure. He rode in Mexico for a short time and actually saw a horse put down with a gun on the track in front of patrons in the 30's...you don't see that everyday. Never broke a bone in a long career. Better to be lucky. 
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12-03-2010, 09:59 AM
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All numbers aside - the best winning Derby performance visually to me is easily Seattle Slew.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iw-QYkEjVBM Pretty amazing to see a horse break like that and just bull his way up into a speed battle on a 45 and change pace and still win. If anyone actually saw the form of the Derby 3rd finisher, Preakness 2nd finisher, and Belmont 4th finisher that year ... they'd want to vomit. Nolan's Cat and Scrappy T. might have hung tough with them. Using numbers and trips in tandem - I think Touch Gold's 4th in the '97 Preakness is probably the most under appreciated triple crown performance I've ever seen. He had a horror trip in a very fast Preakness - and was still right there at the end.
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