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09-27-2006, 05:08 PM
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Yawn, Mullins Positive
Wasn't he going to quit a year ago after he said bettors were stupid and blah blah. Please leave.
(Rand.. Please provide link to DRF article.. Articles cannot be reprinted without permission(s)... Links only please.. Thx.. Steve) Last edited by Kasept : 09-27-2006 at 05:22 PM. 
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09-27-2006, 05:14 PM
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as james bond said, 'shocking....positively shocking'
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#3
09-27-2006, 05:24 PM
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Randy this was already reported, this was the postive that he said he was gonna quit over this past summer.
Again, its mepivicaine. Asmussen and Dutrow did days for it. And Pletcher has a positive he is fighting on it. I know it is used as a nerve block, but it also has other uses. I can't string the guy up over this one. Zito and Mott did ten days apiece at the same time a few years back for Lidocaine postives. Lidocaine was in foot salves for cracked feet and both swore they had cut off the medicine before the 7 days the vet told them to. Then you had a rash of cocaine posives that were thrown out in the 90's after accidental contamination was pretty much proved in all cases. My point is that the "caine" family is among the easiest and most sensitive drug families to test for, and is teh stem of many of these positives. If you are gonna string up Mullins, then you should be bashing Mott and Zito as well. The guy may not be my favorite guy, I have never even met him, but I really have to say that I find it hard to believe that he ordered an overage of mepivicaine to be administered to a 10 claimer who was 8 years old, especially knowing what kind of scrutiny he was under. I know hes cried wolf before, and worse, but his reaction after this test was exactly the reaction an innocent man unjustly accused would give. He did not hide from the media and he did not make excuses. He was insane with rage and swore that the horse in question never even needed ICE, much less anything else. A guilty guy doesn't usually react with as much rage and anger as Mullins did. The more horses you run each year, the greater the chance that you will pull some sort of positive. I dunno if hes guilty on this one, at least not intentionally. I realize my opinion will be in the very small minority, but thats how I feel.
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09-27-2006, 05:27 PM
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oh, and one more thing, if you think Mepivicaine or anything like it has been responsible for the questionable performances of horses in the last ten years who move up dramatically, I have a bridge I'd like to sell you.
This would block some pain, if given for that reason, but it sure as hell won't make a horse go 44:3 and open up by ten lengths, something a lot stronger than mepivicaine would be causing that.
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09-27-2006, 05:27 PM
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Mike, if you think he has been clean his whole career than I have a bridge to sell you. Whether its CO2 levels or this or something else, where there is smoke there is fire.
We both have personally talked about Zito and Mott, so I'm not going to go there on this board....I'll keep that between us.
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#6
09-27-2006, 05:28 PM
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LOL, we both put that we have bridges to sell before we saw it.
I'll buy the GWB.
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#7
09-27-2006, 05:37 PM
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But its the same substance that these guys keep getting nailed on. I find that suspicious, VERY suspicious. I asked someone about this who I thought would know just what kind of effect a horse would get from it, and he said well if you block a nerve they can't feel pain. I then asked if it would cause one to freak out run a crazy good race, and he said that no, it would only cause the horse to run the best effort he was already capable of based on what kind of shape he was in. he said the lack of felling the pain would cause him to run better than he would with the pain, but wouldn't cause the horse to run away and hide in a new lifetime top performance like we've seen in the past ten years. Thats what I'm saying Randall. Seems to me that a guy gets a bad rep or gets accused of cheating, and all of a sudden they ALL get a positive for the same exact thing? I don't buy it, not at all. My friend's an attorney, and he was driving with me to Kentucky this past spring. he was telling me tongue in cheek about something "incredible" that was happening in Ny with his clients. He said for years that he had a lotta guys come to him with DWI's who had blown exactly .10 the legal limit, who swore they hadn't had that much to drink. Then they changed the law to .08 being the threshold for DWI, and then the most "incredible" thing happened. He said he got more folks in one year come in with arrests at .08(previously a lesser charge of DWAI) than he had in his previous entire legal career. YOu can draw your own conclusions on what he was eluding to. I find this whole thing similiar to what he told me. Now look, I want the game to be as clean as possible, and I have ranted and raged myself over guys I thought were cheating. But you don't see where I stand Randy, I want the guys cheating to be BUSTED FOR WHAT THEY ARE CHEATING WITH!!!! What good does it do to nail a guy and suspend him if you aren't nailing him with what hes actually using so that you can test others for the same thing? Don't you see where I am coming from? Asmussen, Dutrow, and Pletcher all were accused by many of cheating, just like Mullins. Do you HONESTLY feel thats its not suspicious that they all got nailed on the same exact drug? I just don't feel thats rational or likely. You can take the stand that well he was cheating anyway with something so its ok, but i don't take that stand. If we can't devise and maintain a better drug testing system that is fair and equal for everyone and catches the supposed designer drugs that have been or are being used, we aren't any better off than we were in the first place. Nail a guy for what he is guilty for, not something else. Last edited by oracle80 : 09-27-2006 at 05:47 PM.
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09-27-2006, 10:10 PM
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I agree with most of what you are saying here but one thing that I think you are missing is the levels of this particular drug found in a horse's system. With a trace level like Pletcher's case, I believe that it most likely had no effect on the outcome of the race (I believe this is the tact that TP's lawyers are taking in fighting his case) However in the Assmussen case the drug levels found were consistent with raceday application. Using carbocaine on Raceday would be an extremely powerful edge. It's similar to blood alocohol levels. If you blow .01 you are a whole lot less impared than if you blew a .20. Same with drug positives. If they find 1 nanogram then its most likely not having any effect but if the levels are 1000x that level, you can bet that the drug is having its intended effect. The medication rules are so screwed up. Its laughable when I read about how much progress the RTMC consortium has accomplished. Basically they have made things worse. The rules are still drasticly different from state to state, the penalties are still inconsistent, and they keep telling you how much progress they have achieved and they need more money to continue this great work. Its typical of this industry to gloss over the truth in favor of a good story. Indian Charlie as racing czar would be better than the current "industry leaders"!
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#9
09-27-2006, 10:31 PM
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#10
09-27-2006, 11:47 PM
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Posted this like a few weeks ago with the CHRB filing
 But since of course you people think i know nothing you probally were not payin attention Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: any OBT within 60miles of where I wake up Posts: 457 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Here goes some more real interesting news, like this hasn't happen 20+ times http://chrb.ca.gov/Complaints/Complaint_06DM011.pdf Last edited by DiscreetCat=Monster : 09-27-2006 at 11:54 PM.
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#11
09-28-2006, 02:51 AM
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There are cheaters in this game..... trainers who win with more than 20% of their starters are cheaters, its that simple.... admit it or not, love the sport or not, its just the way it is.... quit deluding yourselves... Last edited by pba1817 : 09-28-2006 at 03:02 AM.
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#12
09-28-2006, 05:33 AM
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not every med that's used is for an 'advantage'. horses require meds for other than boosting their performance!
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#13
09-28-2006, 06:22 AM
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[quote=pba1817]If it didn't work to your advantage, why in the world would you be using it????
There are cheaters in this game..... trainers who win with more than 20% of their starters are cheaters, its that simple.... admit it or not, love the sport or not, its just the way it is.... quit deluding yourselves...[/QUOTE Great you "genius", anyone who is good at winning races has to be cheating, I get it now. You grow up near power lines?
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#14
09-28-2006, 07:46 AM
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pba, you must really be sour about poor wagering or something.
Not everyone who wins is a cheater. Have you ever heard of Occam's razor? Stop looking for a conspiracy. Are there cheaters? Yes. Are there bad people in the sport? Yes. Is it true that anyone who wins above 20% is a cheater? NO! Occam's razor says the simplest explanation/solution is most often the correct answer. Her is what I think happens with most trainers who have that high a winning percentage. THEY SPOT THEIR HORSES CORRECTLY! Some start with really good stock, some are superb conditioners, but all the ones who win a lot....SPOT THEIR HORSES CORRECTLY!
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