Thoughts On NBA at midseason

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I did nothing of the sort. Where did I say his contract was a problem? I said Jamison would take care of two problems 1. Someone to take minutes from Hickson who is lost most of the time and 2.Jamison would be a better matchup on Gasol than anyone else on cleveland.

Wade owns Miami. Bosh is a complimentary player and he knows it. Miami has big problems. No one is going to the games, the owner wont spend any money, they have no one worth a damn on the roster outside of Wade. (Beasley wont ever be more than a 17-9 guy who is a headcase)

It wasnt clear and i read it wrong.

the owner will spend money for a contender and Riley is the ultimate pitch man. Who does cleveland have that is anything better than what miami has when you back out wade and lebron?

So it comes down to Lebron's sidekick in cleveland or Wade's in South Beach for the same money. You tell me where you would go.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Case closed? The Lakers absolutely needed a guy to run the point for them. Think if Jason Kidd was available for an expiring contract Kobe wouldn't have been all over that? does that mean they arent good enough?

Cleveland has the leverage simply because there are no other teams that have a need for a player with Jamisons skills that have any incentive to add salary. Perhaps Dallas because they may make a move just to do something but who else is there? Supply and Demand. There isnt much demand.

Houston wants him too. a lot of teams want him but the wiz want too much.

The Lakers would NOT trade for Jason Kidd right now. Too much risk of chemistry issues at this point. Maybe if he were available in the offseason they might have bit but not now. Don't be silly.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

It wasnt clear and i read it wrong.

the owner will spend money for a contender and Riley is the ultimate pitch man. Who does cleveland have that is anything better than what miami has when you back out wade and lebron?

So it comes down to Lebron's sidekick in cleveland or Wade's in South Beach for the same money. You tell me where you would go.

Cleveland is a better situation. He fits great with the players they have. Miami is a mess. Wade isnt happy, they stink, and they are trying to sell off guys. If Wade sees that they arent getting an impact guy you think he stays?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

Houston wants him too. a lot of teams want him but the wiz want too much.

The Lakers would NOT trade for Jason Kidd right now. Too much risk of chemistry issues at this point. Maybe if he were available in the offseason they might have bit but not now. Don't be silly.

Houston? Why would they add salary for Jamison? Other than to get rid of TMac?

Chemistry? The lakers would take Kidd right now in a heartbeat. There is no risk. What is Shannon Brown or Derek Fisher gonna get mad?

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Cleveland is a better situation. He fits great with the players they have. Miami is a mess. Wade isnt happy, they stink, and they are trying to sell off guys. If Wade sees that they arent getting an impact guy you think he stays?

Where is Wade going to go? . Miami doesnt stink. They are about .500 and getting Bosh and maybe one more player will make them contenders.

Its not all about team success when players make these descisions. Heck, they both could end up in new york.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Houston? Why would they add salary for Jamison? Other than to get rid of TMac?

Chemistry? The lakers would take Kidd right now in a heartbeat. There is no risk. What is Shannon Brown or Derek Fisher gonna get mad?

Chemistry on the court. The lakers are the prohibitive favorite and adding a point guard midseason that has never played in the triangle isnt smart. Adding another player that needs the ball isnt smart. I know Kidd isnt selfish but he still needs to the ball to be effective and the triangle isnt the easiest offense to learn.

The Lakers are riding high and arent going to add another point guard to the mix even if they could get him for free.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

Where is Wade going to go? . Miami doesnt stink. They are about .500 and getting Bosh and maybe one more player will make them contenders.

Its not all about team success when players make these descisions. Heck, they both could end up in new york.

Chicago. It makes a lot of sense. Miami does stink. they are not a good team, they have gaping holes everywhere. Being 26-27 in the East is not good.

NY doesnt have the space and unless Isiah suddenly gets an NBA job and trades for jefferies, that wont change.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Chicago. It makes a lot of sense. Miami does stink. they are not a good team, they have gaping holes everywhere. Being 26-27 in the East is not good.

NY doesnt have the space and unless Isiah suddenly gets an NBA job and trades for jefferies, that wont change.

NY does have the space. Plus Jeffries and Curry are expiring next year. They wouldnt have to get too creative to make it work. Chicago has less space than the knicks.

http://hoopshype.com/salaries/new_york.htm

Donnie Walsh has done a great job!

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

NY does have the space. Plus Jeffries and Curry are expiring next year. They wouldnt have to get too creative to make it work. Chicago has less space than the knicks.

http://hoopshype.com/salaries/new_york.htm

Donnie Walsh has done a great job!

Curry and Jefferies wont opt out this year unless they are completely insane.

Chicago is shopping Thomas and will find a taker. They have tried to trade Hinrich forever but want too much.

The difference is that Chicago has Derrick Rose, Joquain Noah, John Salmons, Deng, and Gibson (and hinrich if they cant move him). That is a pretty good bunch of players especially compared to the Knicks returning guys. Jefferies, the italian, Hill, Curry, wilson Chandler and Toney Douglas is not an impressive bunch. Outside of the Italian there is no bonifide NBA starters in that group.

[horseofcourse]

The problem with Cleveland getting Jamison is the Wizards will insist on getting Hickson in that trade. If it was simply for Z, the Cavs would have done it at any time the last 6 months. Hickson is 21 and has massive upside. The Cavs have lacked people like that in the entire LeBron era. I agree with Cannon that Hickson is completely lost at times, but if they want to keep LeBron they are going to have to have at least some young talent to grow around him. I'd like to have Jamison honestly, but absolutley no way I give up Hickson to get him. The guy has untapped ability and just turned 21. It would be an ignorant move to trade him and that's what getting Jamison means I think. I wouldn't do it.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by horseofcourse

The problem with Cleveland getting Jamison is the Wizards will insist on getting Hickson in that trade. If it was simply for Z, the Cavs would have done it at any time the last 6 months. Hickson is 21 and has massive upside. The Cavs have lacked people like that in the entire LeBron era. I agree with Cannon that Hickson is completely lost at times, but if they want to keep LeBron they are going to have to have at least some young talent to grow around him. I'd like to have Jamison honestly, but absolutley no way I give up Hickson to get him. The guy has untapped ability and just turned 21. It would be an ignorant move to trade him and that's what getting Jamison means I think. I wouldn't do it.

More importantly you have Hickson under contract for about 6 million for the next 3 years while you would have to pay Jamison 28 million for the next 2. Would I trade Ilgauskas (his contract basically) straight up for jamison if i were Cleveland? Sure. If they wanted Hickson too I would hesitate to do it, if only because Jamison doesnt have a great track record in staying healthy. He would strictly be a high priced rental but Cleveland feels they have to win this year and AJ would be a nice fit for Cleveland THIS year.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Curry and Jefferies wont opt out this year unless they are completely insane.

Chicago is shopping Thomas and will find a taker. They have tried to trade Hinrich forever but want too much.

The difference is that Chicago has Derrick Rose, Joquain Noah, John Salmons, Deng, and Gibson (and hinrich if they cant move him). That is a pretty good bunch of players especially compared to the Knicks returning guys. Jefferies, the italian, Hill, Curry, wilson Chandler and Toney Douglas is not an impressive bunch. Outside of the Italian there is no bonifide NBA starters in that group.

They don't need to opt out...thats the point. New York could still take both salaries. And just think what they could do the following year when 17 million more goes away.

Miami has a bunch of money. They have no bad contracts and Riley is running the show. They could pick up a bunch of role players to go with beasley, wade and bosh.

In chicago, you named a bunch of players that need the ball. You would have serious chemistry issues. Im not buying chicago.

[horseofcourse]

I would have preferred to stay out of this thread, but I was flabbergasted by dala's statement that the Cavs were better last year. It made zero sense to me. I realize Shaq is 1/20th of the player he used to be, but having him instead of Ben Wallace?? Come on. That's a huge and significant upgrade. Losing Pavlovic and Sczerbiak is a huge upgrade no matter who raplaces them...Parker, Moon etc. It's another upgrade. LeBron, Varejao, Hickson are all better than they were last year. The only major issue where they have gone down from last year is Delonte West's personal craziness. He's slipped and has been pretty much a non-entity most of the year and it hasn't really affected them. Don't even know if he'll be available come playoff time with court dates and everything.

What noone talks about is the Leon Powe reports are all postive about where he stands physically. He's precticing without issue. He's going to be added to the roster the second half. Another physical presence. With or without Jamison, they are undoubtedly better than last year. Whether they can win a title I have no idea. But I think they have more of a chance than last year whether they acquire Jamison or not.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by horseofcourse

I would have preferred to stay out of this thread, but I was flabbergasted by dala's statement that the Cavs were better last year. It made zero sense to me. I realize Shaq is 1/20th of the player he used to be, but having him instead of Ben Wallace?? Come on. That's a huge and significant upgrade. Losing Pavlovic and Sczerbiak is a huge upgrade no matter who raplaces them...Parker, Moon etc. It's another upgrade. LeBron, Varejao, Hickson are all better than they were last year. The only major issue where they have gone down from last year is Delonte West's personal craziness. He's slipped and has been pretty much a non-entity most of the year and it hasn't really affected them. Don't even know if he'll be available come playoff time with court dates and everything.

What noone talks about is the Leon Powe reports are all postive about where he stands physically. He's precticing without issue. He's going to be added to the roster the second half. Another physical presence. With or without Jamison, they are undoubtedly better than last year. Whether they can win a title I have no idea. But I think they have more of a chance than last year whether they acquire Jamison or not.

You need to control your flabber.

[horseofcourse]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

You need to control your flabber.

I know you dont' think they can win it all which is fine. I don't really know either. I'm pretty dumb on face value. Just face the obvious truth that despite you thinking they can't win, they are undoubtedly a better team this year. You are so wrong by saying they were better last year it's beyond stupid. Yes, stupid.

[horseofcourse]

and in the end I presented logical reasons why they certainly appeared to me to be a better team this year, and you countered with nothing. Zero. So my only conclusion is you are wrong and you know it.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by horseofcourse

I know you dont' think they can win it all which is fine. I don't really know either. I'm pretty dumb on face value. Just face the obvious truth that despite you thinking they can't win, they are undoubtedly a better team this year. You are so wrong by saying they were better last year it's beyond stupid. Yes, stupid.

Yes, stupid. They are better this year.

Relax my friend. I apologize if I insulted you.

[horseofcourse]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

Yes, stupid. They are better this year.

Relax my friend. I apologize if I insulted you.

Thank you. I'm not insulted about anything. I know this team. I follow this team. I saw issues last year. I really don't see as many this year. I don't. And they have improved and they have the best player on the floor every single game they play. Yes, even when they play the Lakers!!! (and you know it!)

[clyde]

and in the end I presented logical reasons why they certainly appeared to me to be a better team this year, and you countered with nothing. Zero. So my only conclusion is you are wrong and you know it.



Dammit!!....Stop chewing your prey!!



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[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by horseofcourse

Thank you. I'm not insulted about anything. I know this team. I follow this team. I saw issues last year. I really don't see as many this year. I don't. And they have improved and they have the best player on the floor every single game they play. Yes, even when they play the Lakers!!! (and you know it!)

Youre getting all worked up and you are obviously emotional where I am indifferent to the subject. You make a compelling case and I agree with what you say. My original premise that they are not as good as last year was off the mark. It isnt the first or the last time that will be the case.

Lebron is the best player in the league at this point and anyone that disagrees is just in denial. They still aren't good enough to beat the lakers and if Boston adds a piece and gets healthy they won't get out of the east.