Hypocrits

[ArlJim78]

Democrats screamed last week about the big supreme court decision. Obama said that congress should look into laws to revise it, whatever that means.

People on here were ready to burst into tears with the thought that corporations might spend money on political ads. Oh the humanity. How awful that would be.

Well how is it any worse than this? Here you have the chairman of the demcratic senatorial committee from last thursday.

“While we invite Republicans to work with us, they have shown a stunning disinterest in doing so. In fact, Republicans prefer to bet on the failure of the President and of the country. But Republicans will be on the ballot this November too, and their only solutions are a return to the very policies favoring corporate interests that got us here in the first place. In the upcoming elections, voters will face a choice between Republicans who are standing with Wall Street fat cats, bankers and insurance companies - or Democrats who are working hard to clean up the mess we inherited by putting the people's interests ahead of the special interests.”

The very next day he hosted a group from the who's who list of corporate lobbyists at a Miami resort for "private conversations" with a group of Democratic senators. The corporations can donate as much as $30,000 each in order to have this priviledge. the link below to the Politico story even has a link to the guest list for this junket. They're all there, all the evil groups that democrats carp about, banks, tobacco, insurance, etc.

Like I said last week, the politicians are against the ruling because it diminishes their power. Instead of being the only conduit for a corporate entity to make its case, they can now go over their heads directly to the people. Of course maybe some of you would you rather have them buying off politicians at a Miami resort, because it's somehow much cleaner and above board.


http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmi...lobbyists.html

[hi_im_god]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

Democrats screamed last week about the big supreme court decision. Obama said that congress should look into laws to revise it, whatever that means.

People on here were ready to burst into tears with the thought that corporations might spend money on political ads. Oh the humanity. How awful that would be.

Well how is it any worse than this? Here you have the chairman of the demcratic senatorial committee from last thursday.

“While we invite Republicans to work with us, they have shown a stunning disinterest in doing so. In fact, Republicans prefer to bet on the failure of the President and of the country. But Republicans will be on the ballot this November too, and their only solutions are a return to the very policies favoring corporate interests that got us here in the first place. In the upcoming elections, voters will face a choice between Republicans who are standing with Wall Street fat cats, bankers and insurance companies - or Democrats who are working hard to clean up the mess we inherited by putting the people's interests ahead of the special interests.”

The very next day he hosted a group from the who's who list of corporate lobbyists at a Miami resort for "private conversations" with a group of Democratic senators. The corporations can donate as much as $30,000 each in order to have this priviledge. the link below to the Politico story even has a link to the guest list for this junket. They're all there, all the evil groups that democrats carp about, banks, tobacco, insurance, etc.

Like I said last week, the politicians are against the ruling because it diminishes their power. Instead of being the only conduit for a corporate entity to make its case, they can now go over their heads directly to the people. Of course maybe some of you would you rather have them buying off politicians at a Miami resort, because it's somehow much cleaner and above board.


http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmi...lobbyists.html

it isn't as if spending billions influencing elections by direct advertising is an alternative to lobbying.

it's an adjunct.

they'll do both. the fact an industry lobby group can run ad's in favor of those already in their pocket and against those that aren't only serves to increase the effectiveness of that lobbying.

i'm still perplexed by a "peoples" movement like the tea party missing the obvious fact that this decision only strengthens corporate influence over both parties.

if you're against big government, you should be aghast. it's only getting bigger with this decision. that isn't bursting into tears. it's just a cold eyed assessment of reality.

[Rudeboyelvis]

Originally Posted by hi_im_god

it isn't as if spending billions influencing elections by direct advertising is an alternative to lobbying.

it's an adjunct.

they'll do both. the fact an industry lobby group can run ad's in favor of those already in their pocket and against those that aren't only serves to increase the effectiveness of that lobbying.

i'm still perplexed by a "peoples" movement like the tea party missing the obvious fact that this decision only strengthens corporate influence over both parties.

if you're against big government, you should be aghast. it's only getting bigger with this decision. that isn't bursting into tears. it's just a cold eyed assessment of reality.

If anything it clears the air, and a path to resolution. We now know that any proposed " change in the law" ie. The McCain- Feinburg bill, is now officially moot. There is no gray area left.

So rather than the folks that benefit from lobbyists write "laws" to limit or erase their own benefits, we now need a Constitution Amendment to prohibit such acts.

I agree with the decision and look forward to ratifying an amendment that knocks this crap off once and for all.

[hi_im_god]

Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis

If anything it clears the air, and a path to resolution. We now know that any proposed " change in the law" ie. The McCain- Feinburg bill, is now officially moot. There is no gray area left.

So rather than the folks that benefit from lobbyists write "laws" to limit or erase their own benefits, we now need a Constitution Amendment to prohibit such acts.

I agree with the decision and look forward to ratifying an amendment that knocks this crap off once and for all.

and you're going to accomplish that against the weight of every corporate lobbyist and the unleashed power of billions of advertising $.

i'll admit mccain/feingold was quixotic. i don't know what to call your idea.