Pletcher going to California

[Round Pen]

Originally Posted by Nostradamus

George Washington knows a hell of a lot more about Gulfstream and any MEC track than Oracle. Gulfstream is going to be awesome.

Nostradamus that was my attempt at a joke I mentioned slots a while back

[Nostradamus]

Originally Posted by Round Pen

Nostradamus that was my attempt at a joke I mentioned slots a while back

Sorry. My brother just jumped in when I told him what Oracle posted. Keep up the fight with Oracle and his lies. I probably won't be posting too much here any longer. My brother just showed me a new site.

Don't let Oracle get to you. My brother just pointed out that you live in Ocala, so you probably know or work in the business. Maybe when I go down this winter I will remember to PM you. Our friend has a farm there for his young horses.

[Round Pen]

[quote=SentToStud]
You think slots are going to save Gulfstream? Not this year and probably not next year. There is NO WAY there will be slot machines at GP this year.

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I would be interested to here you reason why you say NO WAY will there be slots at GP this year.

I just had a conversation yesterday with someone heavily involved with the FTBOA that says as of right now slots are going to happen very soon.

[Nostradamus]

[quote=Round Pen]

Originally Posted by SentToStud

You think slots are going to save Gulfstream? Not this year and probably not next year. There is NO WAY there will be slot machines at GP this year.

QUOTE]

I would be interested to here you reason why you say NO WAY will there be slots at GP this year.

I just had a conversation yesterday with someone heavily involved with the FTBOA that says as of right now slots are going to happen very soon.

You are 100% correct Roundpen. They are all New Yorkers who post lies. They are just jealous because their state can't get their act together. There is nothing that can stop slots now. My brother said the financing went through and they would never have gotten it if there were not going to be slots. It is done.

Funny,
A friend of mine is about to be named to Magna's board.
And the brother act is getting old.

[SentToStud]

[quote=Round Pen]

Originally Posted by SentToStud

You think slots are going to save Gulfstream? Not this year and probably not next year. There is NO WAY there will be slot machines at GP this year.

QUOTE]

I would be interested to here you reason why you say NO WAY will there be slots at GP this year.

I just had a conversation yesterday with someone heavily involved with the FTBOA that says as of right now slots are going to happen very soon.

Lawsuits to be settled.

New lawsuits to be started.

I know I read the dog tack and GP say 11/1.

I will not believe it until I see it. Then I will be glad to say I'm wrong.

[georgewashington]

[quote=SentToStud]

Originally Posted by Round Pen

Lawsuits to be settled.

New lawsuits to be started.

I know I read the dog tack and GP say 11/1.

I will not believe it until I see it. Then I will be glad to say I'm wrong.

Please stop talking about something that you know nothing about. You sound like an idiot. The dog track will have problems because their handle is so low and the 50% will kill them. The racetrack will thrive. The purses will go up and the deal has already been cut with the horseman.

The state has already anticipated on getting their money in next years budget. Politicians have the pork already dished out.

I do like you quote at the bottom. I doubt you really are a Jones. I see the point, but if you are PM me and let me know where your family comes from.

Apparently you don't read too well.
If I were bashing magna or Stronach, why would I praise Santa Anita?
Did you think I was unaware that Magna owns it as well?
What you are trying to do is steer an argument to a zone that I certainly never took it to by using strawmen.
Oh, and I will be at Belmont tomorrow.

[georgewashington]

Originally Posted by oracle80

Funny,
A friend of mine is about to be named to Magna's board.
And the brother act is getting old.

Really. Please let me know who considering I know just a little about MEC.

I hope you liked my friends Saranac win up at Saratoga. He might get it done again this weekend. I think you know who I mean.

[Nostradamus]

Originally Posted by oracle80

Apparently you don't read too well.
If I were bashing magna or Stronach, why would I praise Santa Anita?
Did you think I was unaware that Magna owns it as well?
What you are trying to do is steer an argument to a zone that I certainly never took it to by using strawmen.
Oh, and I will be at Belmont tomorrow.

I just sent you a PM of where we can meet. I am very excited to hear the MEC discussion and even more excited to hear the Albertrani discussion. HeHe. I had no idea some of the regulars here actually knew Albertrani and let you stay stuff about him like that. My brother said he is 100% postitive that two people here are friendly with him too.

[georgewashington]

Originally Posted by oracle80

Apparently you don't read too well.
If I were bashing magna or Stronach, why would I praise Santa Anita?
Did you think I was unaware that Magna owns it as well?
What you are trying to do is steer an argument to a zone that I certainly never took it to by using strawmen.
Oh, and I will be at Belmont tomorrow.

I find it funny that a guy who like you takes a tone with anyone. You

1) Started Lies about Michael Dickinson;
2) Makes up lies that other New York trainers are going to CA because they don't like Gulfstream;
3) Says Pletcher is lying when he said he was going to CA for the Poly, but is actually going because Gulfstream sucks; and
4)I suspect was involved with lies about Showing Up.

Just to let you know, Tabor wants his horses on Poly whenever possible. That is one reason. And I believe Todd's exact words were "The main reason is Polytrack is out there," Pletcher said.

Stop lying about Trainers! This is getting really old. Your lucky Dickinson did pull his private investigator act he pulled down at Gulfstream.

[georgewashington]

Originally Posted by oracle80

Stud,
Thats not the real reason. I told you this past summer I had spoken to more than one trainer(Todd wasnt one of them) who was fed up with the purses and lack of allowances and msw's at Gulf. There are more who will announce it in the future.
But none of em are gonna come out and bash Gulf. 1) because they all train for or want the opportunity to train for Stronach. 2) Because they don't want their stall space reduced.

So Todd is a liar. Interesting coming from you. Todd doesn't even know who you are. If you talk with Seth, I doubt he told you this.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by georgewashington

Big brother knows quite a bit more than little brother. You think I am going to allow some NY jokers to bash MEC. I have money invested with them. An idiot can see this guy is posting lies about Frank and Gulfstream because he doesn't like MEC putting their foot in NYRA's business.

You want to take up this discussion with me in person, I will be at Belmont tomorrow morning. The brother and his friend will be with me if they get up.

And, yeah, I do know a little about George. Just a little.

I am well aware of who you are Andy. I wonder where you are on this issue.

"As a racing fan, I want to be sure that whoever is running racing in New York is interested in racing. I want somebody like NYRA, somebody who's proven to me in the past that they've at least done their best to run racing."


Tell your annoying friend to stop putting words in TP's mouth. TP said he was going due to the poly. I think his own words mean a little more than some guy who barely knows him.

You want to meet tomorrow, send a PM to my brother. I am taking them out to dinner now, but if you PM him I am sure he will give me the information when he checks the computer when we get back.

Most people know who I am....you didn't need to reprint a quote from me that appeared in Thoroughbred Times to prove it.

Who's my " annoying friend "? The only person on this board that is a friend of mine is Steve Byk. I take it you didn't mean him.

Originally Posted by georgewashington

I find it funny that a guy who like you takes a tone with anyone. You

1) Started Lies about Michael Dickinson;
2) Makes up lies that other New York trainers are going to CA because they don't like Gulfstream;
3) Says Pletcher is lying when he said he was going to CA for the Poly, but is actually going because Gulfstream sucks; and
4)I suspect was involved with lies about Showing Up.

Just to let you know, Tabor wants his horses on Poly whenever possible. That is one reason. And I believe Todd's exact words were "The main reason is Polytrack is out there," Pletcher said.

Stop lying about Trainers! This is getting really old. Your lucky Dickinson did pull his private investigator act he pulled down at Gulfstream.

LOL!! Why don't you ask him how that one turned out?

[Independent George]

Oracle, you gave me something to do besides handicapping the cards at Gulf this year. I hope to be able to make daily comparisons of purses; types of races; trainers and jockeys at both Aqueduct and Gulf at least for the month of January and then we can see who shoves it down the other one's throat .
One point I'd like to make is that we're arguing over who's going where; how much the purses will be; and what type of races will be run. What we're missing is, as a betting public, what races are more bettable at which track. I, for one, like full fields. I'd rather bet a 25k claimer at Gulf on the grass with a 10 horse field than a NW3x at Aqueduct with a 5 horse field. I see more value in a 15k claimer with 10 to 12 horses than a 40k claimer with 6 horses. Of course this is a point that is too subjective to get a definitive argument.

Someone take my soapbox away.

Originally Posted by Independent George

Oracle, you gave me something to do besides handicapping the cards at Gulf this year. I hope to be able to make daily comparisons of purses; types of races; trainers and jockeys at both Aqueduct and Gulf at least for the month of January and then we can see who shoves it down the other one's throat .
One point I'd like to make is that we're arguing over who's going where; how much the purses will be; and what type of races will be run. What we're missing is, as a betting public, what races are more bettable at which track. I, for one, like full fields. I'd rather bet a 25k claimer at Gulf on the grass with a 10 horse field than a NW3x at Aqueduct with a 5 horse field. I see more value in a 15k claimer with 10 to 12 horses than a 40k claimer with 6 horses. Of course this is a point that is too subjective to get a definitive argument.

Someone take my soapbox away.

IG,
Yes, lets do that comparison as an exercise.
And of course its subjective, just about everything is.
And full fields are nice, but please spare me. If you honestly think that a track cards 10 claimers to get a full field rather than to save on purse money you are kidding yourself.
You can gurantee full fields by writing a non one grass allowance race or grass maiden race. Tell me IG, why not write those instead of the ten claimers?
Gulf has a long tradition of being the premier track in the country in the winter time. Its lost that title to Santa Anita now, and its a damn shame.
I'd love to see winter racing at Gulf thriving, but if you think I'm off base over being upset with the races they wrote last year, then lets take a look at the charts from last year at Gulf and you can show me all the great cards I must have missed, even though I looked at the entries every day.

[Round Pen]

Originally Posted by Nostradamus

I just sent you a PM of where we can meet. I am very excited to hear the MEC discussion and even more excited to hear the Albertrani discussion. HeHe. I had no idea some of the regulars here actually knew Albertrani and let you stay stuff about him like that. My brother said he is 100% postitive that two people here are friendly with him too.

you can make that 3 Tommy is a friend of mine infact I just talked to him Yesterday

[Nostradamus]

Originally Posted by oracle80

IG,
Yes, lets do that comparison as an exercise.
And of course its subjective, just about everything is.
And full fields are nice, but please spare me. If you honestly think that a track cards 10 claimers to get a full field rather than to save on purse money you are kidding yourself.
You can gurantee full fields by writing a non one grass allowance race or grass maiden race. Tell me IG, why not write those instead of the ten claimers?
Gulf has a long tradition of being the premier track in the country in the winter time. Its lost that title to Santa Anita now, and its a damn shame.
I'd love to see winter racing at Gulf thriving, but if you think I'm off base over being upset with the races they wrote last year, then lets take a look at the charts from last year at Gulf and you can show me all the great cards I must have missed, even though I looked at the entries every day.

Those slots are going to make you look mighty stupid. Last year is last year.

[Nostradamus]

Originally Posted by Round Pen

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you can make that 3 Tommy is a friend of mine infact I just talked to him Yesterday

I have never met him, but I am excited to see Bernardini.

[bogeydaman]

[quote=georgewashington][quote=SentToStud]

Please stop talking about something that you know nothing about. You sound like an idiot. The dog track will have problems because their handle is so low and the 50% will kill them. The racetrack will thrive. The purses will go up and the deal has already been cut with the horseman.

Agree the dog track is the least of GP worries when it comes to slots. They should be more concerned about Dania Jai Alai / Pompano Park slots and trying to remove people from the lines at the Indian Reservations / Hard Rock. That being said GP will rule the slot business for the parimutual facilities.

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You say NY Jokers are bashing MEC? Well, you're preious MEC has had ONE PROFITABLE QUARTER IN THE LAST 2 AND A HALF YEARS! They were positive $.02/share in Q1,'06. [code]

So if MEC is not making any money then why the bashing on the purse structure. They should be reducing purses to make a profit (albeit there are hundreds of variables that impact profit / loss)??? Sounds like talking out of both sides of the mouth.