Tampa Bay Wednesday

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by gales0678

well if you don't care for the NYRA product then i guess it doesn't matter , but , 12 days in a row , not a good way to make $$$$ u think?

I think it's quite clear how I feel about NYRA.

I don't see the time off as an issue whatsoever. It gives the employees some time during a hectic year, gives the jockeys/trainers some time as well and allows you five fewer days to worry about nasty weather and poor conditions. I don't see any issue in them taking the time off and have always been of a mind that they could afford to take a week off before Saratoga.

NT

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

gales its good they get a break..they need it the cappers need it andy jason
all the staff need it god bless..id be pissed if i had to work around this time
of year..i just confirmed for my own that tampa is not for me...kudos to those of you that can get it right here.

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead

gales its good they get a break..they need it the cappers need it andy jason
all the staff need it god bless..id be pissed if i had to work around this time
of year..i just confirmed for my own that tampa is not for me...kudos to those of you that can get it right here.

I agree about Tampa, maybe a bet on a turf race here and there, but not everyday and not those shitbox claimers.

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead

gales its good they get a break..they need it the cappers need it andy jason
all the staff need it god bless..id be pissed if i had to work around this time
of year..i just confirmed for my own that tampa is not for me...kudos to those of you that can get it right here.

matt i have heard other cappers in the otb's in ny tell me not to waste my time with tampa , can you explain why tampa may not fit your capping system

[Rudeboyelvis]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

I agree about Tampa, maybe a bet on a turf race here and there, but not everyday and not those shitbox claimers.

Can I use this as a sig?

[Rudeboyelvis]

Too Late

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis

Can I use this as a sig?

I was going to say yes.

[Kasept]

Originally Posted by gales0678

matt it's just terrible that NYRA has off all the time off...

well if you don't care for the NYRA product then i guess it doesn't matter, but, 12 days in a row , not a good way to make $$$$ u think?

Marty,

You can't possibly be this obtuse..

The number of days that a racing entity can operate is legislated by the state.

NYRA runs every available day that they are ALLOWED by the state of New York.

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by Kasept

Marty,

You can't possibly be this obtuse..

The number of days that a racing entity can operate is legislated by the state.

NYRA runs every available day that they are ALLOWED by the state of New York.

so you are telling me that the state is shutting down an entity that loses $$$ for 12 days of the year when they are already closed 2 days a weeks save saratoga when they are closed 1 day


isn't the objective to make $$$$ , why 12 days off didn't they used to run up until dec 24th

ny state is broke steve and needs every available dollar during this recession , the gov and the legislature could change that tomorrow and we could have racing by friday

[GPK]

Originally Posted by Kasept

Marty,

You can't possibly be this obtuse..

The number of days that a racing entity can operate is legislated by the state.

NYRA runs every available day that they are ALLOWED by the state of New York.

DON'T YOU CALL ME OBTUSE!!!

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

Tampa Bay Downs 7 0.50 P4 (PWHL) 3, 4, 7 / 3, 6, 13 / 2, 3, 5, 6, 7, 8 / 3, 8 $54.00

[Bigsmc]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

I agree about Tampa, maybe a bet on a turf race here and there, but not everyday and not those shitbox claimers.

Damn it, I had you at 4 cards in the PG1985 pool. You couldn't have stuck it out for 2 more cards?

[Kasept]

Originally Posted by gales0678

so you are telling me that the state is shutting down an entity that loses $$$ for 12 days of the year when they are already closed 2 days a weeks save saratoga when they are closed 1 day

isn't the objective to make $$$$ , why 12 days off didn't they used to run up until dec 24th

ny state is broke steve and needs every available dollar during this recession , the gov and the legislature could change that tomorrow and we could have racing by friday

Gosh.. maybe they should just run 7 days a week? How about that? Do you have any idea how racing works? Racetracks aren't restaurants that open and close based on the owners' decision of when they want to be open or closed... THEY'RE ENCUMBERED BY STATE STATUTES AND MANDATES.

There is annualized planning and projections involved... Tracks work with state governing bodies and horsemen's groups and in some cases like California, owner's groups. Dates are negotiated betwen these entities and then the state is approached. There are negotiations between states and the racing entities. There are negotiations between the racing entities and the horsemen. There are purse funding negotiations and distributions that are evaluated to determine what kind of average daily purses meets will offer. There are evaluations by racing offices as to how many horses are at the disposal of the track typically based on stall applications and how many of those can be anticipated to run based on the anticipated condition book. Planning goes into the request for and setting of dates.

You act like the schedule is something that is arbitrarily determined. There's such a thing as blood from a stone too. If you over-race and try to take every possible date without foresight, you end up with 5 and 6 horse fields and 4 day weeks and 7 race cards and messes like you're getting in California. Whoever thinks that jurisdictions should be racing 5-6 days a week, 52 weeks a year has no idea how the game works or the dynamics and economics of the industry as it stands right now.

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by Kasept

Gosh.. maybe they should just run 7 days a week? How about that? Do you have any idea how racing works? Racetracks aren't restaurants that open and close based on the owners' decision of when they want to be open or closed... THEY'RE ENCUMBERED BY STATE STATUTES AND MANDATES.

There is annualized planning and projections involved... Tracks work with state governing bodies and horsemen's groups and in some cases like California, owner's groups. Dates are negotiated betwen these entities and then the state is approached. There are negotiations between states and the racing entities. There are negotiations between the racing entities and the horsemen. There are purse funding negotiations and distributions that are evaluated to determine what kind of average daily purses meets will offer. There are evaluations by racing offices as to how many horses are at the disposal of the track typically based on stall applications and how many of those can be anticipated to run based on the anticipated condition book. Planning goes into the request for and setting of dates.

You act like the schedule is something that is arbitrarily determined. There's such a thing as blood from a stone too. If you over-race and try to take every possible date without foresight, you end up with 5 and 6 horse fields and 4 day weeks and 7 race cards and messes like you're getting in California. Whoever thinks that jurisdictions should be racing 5-6 days a week, 52 weeks a year has no idea how the game works or the dynamics and economics of the industry as it stands right now.

steve did nyra always have this 12 day off vacation? i think if you look back they didn't take this long a peroid off

steve from a business perspective if you were selling your barbecue sandwiches in a location where there was demand almost any day you were open and your fixed costs stayed the same whether you were open or not , expalin to me why you would close the business down for 12 straight days?

everyone is entitled to vacation time , everyone is entitled to days off , sometimes 1 or 2 days a week , but the entire operation does not need to be shut down

i don't get it , are we to believe that over these 12 days nyra couldn't find owners and trainers who don't want to run?

am i to believe that if slots were in place at AQU that the state would not want nyra to run?

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by Kasept

Marty,

You can't possibly be this obtuse..

The number of days that a racing entity can operate is legislated by the state.

NYRA runs every available day that they are ALLOWED by the state of New York.

easter ,palm sunday and christmas are the only days that NYRA cannot run by state law

why did nyra in sept announce the saratoga schedule would be extended by 4days in 2010 before the state even approved it in late dec? nyra always gets the dates steve

if nyra wants to run during this 12 day break they could steve , the state would allow it , they just didn't ask for it last year

[flipsal]

4th..7 and 2
6th 5 and 8

[Gander]

I looked at Aqu's card for Saturday and I dont think its good at all. How many betting interests for the Gravesend? 5? Woo hoo. If they closed because they thought they could omprove the product, they failed, and I am one of the biggest NYRA shills you'll ever meet. To say I am disappointed is a big understatement. "I expected more from a Varsity Letterman"

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by Gander

I looked at Aqu's card for Saturday and I dont think its good at all. How many betting interests for the Gravesend? 5? Woo hoo. If they closed because they thought they could omprove the product, they failed, and I am one of the biggest NYRA shills you'll ever meet. To say I am disappointed is a big understatement. "I expected more from a Varsity Letterman"

What were you looking for? They could have taken off from December 1 until the 26th and the same horses were going to run in the Gravesend. Good sprinters are not in NY anymore at this time of year.

The rest of the card has a lot of full fields, not good horses but full fields. Those claimers and maiden claimers that have 12 with AE lists on Saturday would have had about 1/2 of that if they had run this past week because it would have made the pool just a little more shallow.

You have to be ready for what you're going to get in the winter. It ain't May.

NT

[Gander]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

What were you looking for? They could have taken off from December 1 until the 26th and the same horses were going to run in the Gravesend. Good sprinters are not in NY anymore at this time of year.

The rest of the card has a lot of full fields, not good horses but full fields. Those claimers and maiden claimers that have 12 with AE lists on Saturday would have had about 1/2 of that if they had run this past week because it would have made the pool just a little more shallow.

You have to be ready for what you're going to get in the winter. It ain't May.

NT

I guess you are right. A field of 12 dogs is a lot better than 6 dogs. Woof woof.

Just looking athe nominations for the Gravesend got me excited. Driven By Success and Broadway Producer were among them and I cant understand why neither took a shot. Heck, even the cheap Base Commander had a legit shot with the numbers he has been running. What are they waiting for, the Carter?