Rachel Alexandra to Woodward - Page 6

SOREHOOF · #**101** 08-24-2009, 09:40 PM

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Originally Posted by boswd

Yeah I know about that as long as LLWS doesn't run over, which always drives me nuts, but I was wondering about the Woodward.

MSG+ if you get it. TVG maybe? I'm not taking any chances, I'm going.

JDank34 · #**102** 08-24-2009, 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Warrior's Reward was awful last time out.

He was far from awful and he had an "interesting" ride.....in early May the Wilkes camp was saying this horse would win the Travers and all they have done to this point is prepare him for that specific race....we will all see Sat

richard burch · #**103** 08-24-2009, 09:53 PM

could zenyatta enter in this race if they wanted her too?

Danzig · #**104** 08-24-2009, 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by richard burch

could zenyatta enter in this race if they wanted her too?

she sure could, but it won't happen.

The Indomitable DrugS · #**105** 08-24-2009, 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by JDank34

He was far from awful and he had an "interesting" ride.....in early May the Wilkes camp was saying this horse would win the Travers and all they have done to this point is prepare him for that specific race....we will all see Sat

What was so interesting about his ride?

He was loose on an unpressured lead through moderate fractions and he was unable to make good of the tactical advantage.

Flat Bold was dead last early - just a few lengths back - and was practically pulling Dominguez out of the saddle.

Is Ian Wilkes supposed to be some great handicapper or future wager expert or something? His horse will have to run significantly better to win the Travers.

boswd · #**106** 08-24-2009, 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by SOREHOOF

MSG+ if you get it. TVG maybe? I'm not taking any chances, I'm going.

It'll be on TVG, I don't get MSG out here with Comcast in Boston. Stinks because I was hoping Espn might pick it up. I like ESPN's coverage of horse racing. I hope they will throw up on Espn2 or Classic or something.

letswastemoney · #**107** 08-24-2009, 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig

she sure could, but it won't happen.

She hasn't been nominated though right?

2MinsToPost · #**108** 08-24-2009, 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Gander

Okay I will give you Bernardini, in what was a very forgettable running of the Travers. He was brilliantly talented but like so many recently, never really raced long enough to prove anything. Street Sense didnt really impress me all that much with that all out finish to beat Grasshopper, a horse who won how many races after that 2nd place finish in the Travers?

If I remember correctly the pick 3 paid like 4 dollars for a dollar that year. Yeah I smashed that pick 3, last leg The Travers

Good times

NTamm1215 · #**109** 08-24-2009, 10:41 PM

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Originally Posted by JDank34

Warrior's Reward will run by Quality Road like hes tied to a pole.....AND why would you think he's a one turn horse? Beacuse he destroyed Munnings in a one turn race at CD? Ian already has another horse to beat Munnings in the Kings Bishop (Capt. Candyman Can)....it's going to be a great weekend to be an Ian Wilkes fan....mark that down!

Maybe you're right, I mean Warrior's Reward has been absolutely scintillating in all of his route races.

Do you think it's a coincidence that the only time he has looked even moderately decent was around one turn with cupcake inside trips?

He lost to Successful Dan in a veritable match race as they controlled a cushy pace and he couldn't even get by him! In the Jim Dandy he really cruised on an easy lead (as DrugS pointed out) and had no answer for Kensei, who may be just a slightly decent horse.

There is absolutely nothing Warrior's Reward has done against stakes competition that would make me think he can win the Travers. Of the horses slated to run I'd say only Charitable Man and Our Edge are more unlikely winners.

NT

JDank34 · #**110** 08-24-2009, 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

What was so interesting about his ride?

He was loose on an unpressured lead through moderate fractions and he was unable to make good of the tactical advantage.

Flat Bold was dead last early - just a few lengths back - and was practically pulling Dominguez out of the saddle.

Is Ian Wilkes supposed to be some great handicapper or future wager expert or something? His horse will have to run significantly better to win the Travers.

No question he will have to run better to win the Travers....however, some trainers take their time and develop horses with very specific goals in mind....Ian never had any intention of winning the Jim Dandy or the Dwyer for that matter...they were learning experiences for his colt. WR will be , as Indian Charlie says "further back than nuts on a cat" in the Travers and will finish with a flourish. Putting him into the race last out merely served as a foundation builder for the Travers...

AND its a ridiculous comment for you to call a trainer "some future wager expert" when he is only signifying belief in his colt and executing a plan to get there.....same as Carl did with countless horses. Did you think Unshaded would win the Travers? Lady Joanne the Alabama? Street Sense the BC Juvenile? or Ian's Court Folly destroying Songster at 2/5 in the Amsterdam? etc, etc, etc............

JDank34 · #**111** 08-24-2009, 10:54 PM

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Originally Posted by NTamm1215

Maybe you're right, I mean Warrior's Reward has been absolutely scintillating in all of his route races.

Do you think it's a coincidence that the only time he has looked even moderately decent was around one turn with cupcake inside trips?

He lost to Successful Dan in a veritable match race as they controlled a cushy pace and he couldn't even get by him! In the Jim Dandy he really cruised on an easy lead (as DrugS pointed out) and had no answer for Kensei, who may be just a slightly decent horse.

There is absolutely nothing Warrior's Reward has done against stakes competition that would make me think he can win the Travers. Of the horses slated to run I'd say only Charitable Man and Our Edge are more unlikely winners.

NT

However, if Dunkirk or Munnings were in the Travers you would be all over them?

The Indomitable DrugS · #**112** 08-24-2009, 11:03 PM

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Originally Posted by JDank34

No question he will have to run better to win the Travers....however, some trainers take their time and develop horses with very specific goals in mind....Ian never had any intention of winning the Jim Dandy or the Dwyer for that matter...they were learning experiences for his colt. WR will be , as Indian Charlie says "further back than nuts on a cat" in the Travers and will finish with a flourish. Putting him into the race last out merely served as a foundation builder for the Travers....

For having no intention at all of winning those last three races of his ... he sure was bet like a mofo in all 3. Failing at odds of 4/5, 4/5, and 5/2 and taking certainly more money than I expected in his last two.

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Originally Posted by JDank34

AND its a ridiculous comment for you to call a trainer "some future wager expert" when he is only signifying belief in his colt and executing a plan to get there.....same as Carl did with countless horses. Did you think Unshaded would win the Travers? Lady Joanne the Alabama? Street Sense the BC Juvenile? or Ian's Court Folly destroying Songster at 2/5 in the Amsterdam? etc, etc, etc............

Yes, Yes, No, No

He's signifying a belief that he overestimated his colt.

The Indomitable DrugS · #**113** 08-24-2009, 11:17 PM

By the way, Wilkes lifetime record in Graded Stakes races is 49-7-5-8 with an ROI of $1.96

And he can thank Court Folly for his big upset of 1/9 shot Songster. The same Songster that was 5th beaten almost 8 lengths in the King's Bishop at 5/2 in his next start.

NTamm1215 · #**114** 08-24-2009, 11:21 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

By the way, Wilkes lifetime record in Graded Stakes races is 49-7-5-8 with an ROI of $1.96

And he can thank Court Folly for his big upset of 1/9 shot Songster. The same Songster that was 5th beaten almost 8 lengths in the King's Bishop at 5/2 in his next start.

Don't forget that three of those wins were earned by Miss Isella with one perfect rail-skimming trip after another.

NT

RockHardTen1985 · #**115** 08-25-2009, 12:38 AM

Ntamm and Drugs are both being to hard on Warriors Reward, and he will be 10-1, why knock someone on a bomb? I like his chances, Im leaning on QR and Warrior will be my only backup.

jms62 · #**116** 08-25-2009, 04:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Danzig

i read the other day that at least one trainer was considering the woodward for his horse-if rachel did NOT run.

bullsbad, macho again, it's a bird, cool coal man are supposed to be there.

Mine That Bird = Giacamo A great Key underneath but no shot to win.

Revidere · #**117** 08-25-2009, 07:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Gander

I wonder how Rachel going in the Woodward will affect the field size?

There were horses being entered becaue they were coming off good races and this was the next logical place to run (Cool Coal man, Bullsbay), there were going to be a few shippers....

Now, what do you think the field size will be and who will be the definites?

The Woodward will prove nothing if Chirac doesn't run.

parsixfarms · #**118** 08-25-2009, 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by JDank34

Warrior's Reward will run by Quality Road like hes tied to a pole.....AND why would you think he's a one turn horse? Beacuse he destroyed Munnings in a one turn race at CD? Ian already has another horse to beat Munnings in the Kings Bishop (Capt. Candyman Can)....it's going to be a great weekend to be an Ian Wilkes fan....mark that down!

Because he couldn't get by Successful Dan in the Northern Dancer.

the_fat_man · #**119** 08-25-2009, 09:33 AM

Hmmmm

First we have all this love for Kensei.

Now, there's all this love for Warrior's Reward.

Let's see: these two combined to go 2-1 around the track last out. And, in the stretch, the great Flat Bold was trying to make up ground on them.

It's not much of a stretch, with OTHER speed (and stalkers) in the race and better closers, to assume that these two probably won't be around at crunch time EVEN IF they get another speed favoring setup/track.

Hard to believe some of the opinions here. Do these people actually BET? Real money?

johnny pinwheel · #**120** 08-25-2009, 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Gander

Do you really think all the money bet on Mine that Bird is dumb money and based on just 1 race?

I mean its not like he ran horrible in the Preakness or Belmont. And one can argue that he didnt get the best of rides (timing wise) in either race.

I'm not a huge fan of MTB but I think hes backed up his Derby win with at the very least some very competitive efforts and shown that he really does have a nice late kick.

Is he the worst play in the world given the fact that QR has run only once since March, and that was in a sprint?

i agree, how is that dumb money? QR at some ridiculous short price is the dumb money! did anyone see dirge yesterday? bet low, up the track, one race in like 2 years or something. next race, bafferts horse, under serviced, second choice , up the track. no races since november! saratoga is not exactly the place to try and "comeback", the waters are very deep! QR looked great at 6 1/2 but now hes going to stretch out with one race in 6 months. he will almost surely be a short price. shorter than it should be! its obvious he has problems too. i would not be calling myself a genius with a bet like that !