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Old 11-13-2008, 02:37 PM
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Default 11/15 (AQU): Stuyvesant H. (Gr. III)

8th (3:44) Stuyvesant H. (G3)

1 1/8 Miles | Open | 3 Year Olds And Up Stakes | Purse: $100,000

1 Phil the Power SCRATCHED
2 Stud Muffin Garcia Alan 114 L
3 Helsinki Velasquez C 115 L
4 Brilliant Son Maragh R 114 L
5 Solar Flare (ARG) Thompson T J 116 L
6 Ravel Velazquez J R 115 Blk-On L
7 Temporary Saint Castro E 115 L
8 Dry Martini Hill C 116 Blk-On L
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Old 11-14-2008, 07:45 AM
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Phil the Power scratching from here for the McKnight in December at Calder...
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Old 11-14-2008, 08:45 AM
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Ravel in here reminds me of just how much this horse has fallen.
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Old 11-14-2008, 05:24 PM
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Go Helsinki Go!
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Old 11-14-2008, 05:48 PM
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Phil the Power scratching from here for the McKnight in December at Calder...

That may be the biggest piece of non-news ever.
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Old 11-14-2008, 08:13 PM
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Ravel in here reminds me of just how much this horse has fallen.
Fallen from where?
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Old 11-15-2008, 12:53 AM
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Fallen from where?
A long long time ago i started a thread about how OVER HYPED this horse was....
i like him tomorrow to at least run 1 or 2
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Old 11-15-2008, 01:45 AM
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A long long time ago i started a thread about how OVER HYPED this horse was....
i like him tomorrow to at least run 1 or 2
Dude, you have so many freakin opinions, no one even cares to keep track.

I bet though, if Ravel had been sired by a certain different Ashford/Coolmore stallion, you'd have predicted greatness for him.
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Old 11-15-2008, 08:53 AM
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Fallen from where?
That may be a debatable point, he did look like a horse on the derby trail after the Sham.
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Old 11-15-2008, 09:08 AM
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That may be a debatable point, he did look like a horse on the derby trail after the Sham.
Everything went oh so wrong after that.
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Old 11-15-2008, 09:15 AM
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Everything went oh so wrong after that.
I vaguely remember Pletcher saying he was a light framed horse and he needed time after the Sham, it was a surprise he wasn't pointed for the SA Derby, a very logical next race. I think the red flag went up there so to speak.
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Old 11-15-2008, 09:41 AM
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I will take Stud Muffin in this one!
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Old 11-15-2008, 09:55 AM
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Nothing fancy here....5/7/4
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Old 11-15-2008, 10:06 AM
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Nothing fancy here....5/7/4
WHAT MAKES the 5 any better then any other horse in here ? ? His allowance win at the Big M
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Old 11-15-2008, 10:10 AM
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WHAT MAKES the 5 any better then any other horse in here ? ? His allowance win at the Big M
He faced grade I company this past summer....doesn't make him better, but is a class edge.
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Old 11-15-2008, 10:12 AM
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He faced grade I company this past summer....doesn't make him better, but is a class edge.
I love Jones, but i just dont like this horse today, might use him for coverage in pick 4, but thats about it
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Old 11-15-2008, 11:26 AM
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Solar Flare's first couple of beyer figures seem a touch better than the field's average
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Old 11-15-2008, 01:00 PM
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Actual odds of this race should be interesting. I think it's too wide open to do anything but a win bet, and can't see accepting Solar Flare at 7-2 or so

I'm probably going with Helsinki, and I know he's been off for a year or more. I'd like feedback on what people think of betting a horse spotted like this after a year layoff. I think I read on Brisnet that these bets are not good, yet at the same time Thorograph is always saying the best time to bet an unsound horse is it's 1st race back(before it gets injured again)
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Old 11-15-2008, 06:22 PM
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Actual odds of this race should be interesting. I think it's too wide open to do anything but a win bet, and can't see accepting Solar Flare at 7-2 or so

I'm probably going with Helsinki, and I know he's been off for a year or more. I'd like feedback on what people think of betting a horse spotted like this after a year layoff. I think I read on Brisnet that these bets are not good, yet at the same time Thorograph is always saying the best time to bet an unsound horse is it's 1st race back(before it gets injured again)
what's the trainers stats for a first off a layoff of that length?
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