PGIACO: Marina Market today..

Kasept · #1 10-29-2008, 11:36 AM

Dr. Giacopelli and "Super G" (Sciacca) send Marina Market in the featured 8th today to open the Big A meet... Best of luck to this clever claim that has successfully taken the place of Wood Winner for Paul and Gary as a constant check earner..

And hats off to the Round One who got Mocha Shake into the winner circle at Belmont Sunday... The 2yo filly paid $27.20 as Gary won with her in her first start while saddling his first horse with new owner Bobby Flay.

cmorioles · #2 10-29-2008, 11:43 AM

DRF makes no mention of a claim. The race before the change was an OptCl and the horse has an N meaning he wasn't entered to be claimed. Private acquistion maybe?

Kasept · #3 10-29-2008, 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by cmorioles

DRF makes no mention of a claim. The race before the change was an OptCl and the horse has an N meaning he wasn't entered to be claimed. Private acquistion maybe?

Who? Marina? Gary and Paul have had for a long while now. Over a year... Took him off Albertrani for $35k and have done well with him. Probably earned $100k for Paul...

cmorioles · #4 10-29-2008, 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Kasept

Who? Marina? Gary and Paul have had for a long while now. Over a year... Took him off Albertrani for $35k and have done well with him. Probably earned $100k for Paul...

DRF shows the horse as "previously trained by Gullo Gary P." prior to his race on March 20th.

The horse was claimed as you say but was trained by Gullo before switching to Sciacca for the March race. The horse won that day running a lifetime best, but has tailed off dramatically since, picking up a few checks while not coming close the the winner's circle.

Kasept · #5 10-29-2008, 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by cmorioles

DRF shows the horse as "previously trained by Gullo Gary P." prior to his race on March 20th.

The horse was claimed as you say but was trained by Gullo before switching to Sciacca for the March race. The horse won that day running a lifetime best, but has tailed off dramatically since, picking up a few checks while not coming close the the winner's circle.

Accept on faith that I know the situation pretty well. Gullo is listed from when Gary was sitting out Dec-Mar. Most of Gary's horses were with Gullo during that period.

cmorioles · #6 10-29-2008, 12:01 PM

Gotcha. Sitting out? Too funny Steve, you should be a politician.

pgiaco · #7 10-29-2008, 12:34 PM

Thanks Steve. Obviously he's a better horse on the inner, but he's doing real well now and if he can somehow shake loose early.....
You have the sequence right. Claimed from Albertrani last fall at Belmont (as listed in DRF) he was with Gary Gullo during Round Boy's suspension. And yes he's earned about 110k since the claim.

FGFan · #8 10-29-2008, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Kasept

Dr. Giacopelli and "Super G" (Sciacca) send Marina Market in the featured 8th today to open the Big A meet... Best of luck to this clever claim that has successfully taken the place of Wood Winner for Paul and Gary as a constant check earner..

And hats off to the Round One who got Mocha Shake into the winner circle at Belmont Sunday... The 2yo filly paid $27.20 as Gary won with her in her first start while saddling his first horse with new owner Bobby Flay.

Good Luck Paul....come home safe and on the board.

Love the names of Bobby Flay's horses...

cmorioles · #9 10-29-2008, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by pgiaco

Thanks Steve. Obviously he's a better horse on the inner, but he's doing real well now and if he can somehow shake loose early.....
You have the sequence right. Claimed from Albertrani last fall at Belmont (as listed in DRF) he was with Gary Gullo during Round Boy's suspension. And yes he's earned about 110k since the claim.

What is the annual upkeep on a horse in New York? The horse has earned 110k, I'm curious after upkeep, jock and trainer fees, vet bills, etc, what the profit is on a successful claim like this one.

Scav · #10 10-29-2008, 01:54 PM

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What is the annual upkeep on a horse in New York? The horse has earned 110k, I'm curious after upkeep, jock and trainer fees, vet bills, etc, what the profit is on a successful claim like this one.

My guesses on 100% ownership

$100 per day training
$750 per month in vet
$100 per month blacksmith
$50 per month grooming
$50 per month (entries, pony to post)
$75 per month insurance

GBBob · #11 10-29-2008, 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Scav

My guesses on 100% ownership

$100 per day training
$750 per month in vet
$100 per month blacksmith
$50 per month grooming
$50 per month (entries, pony to post)
$75 per month insurance

I assume that Trainer and Jock each get 10% of that $110K

Scav · #12 10-29-2008, 01:57 PM

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I assume that Trainer and Jock each get 10% of that $110K

Yeah, that isn't figured into the number you see in the form

pgiaco · #13 10-29-2008, 02:34 PM

The trainer and jock fees come out of that 110k. He doesn't need much vet work, so I'm lucky there. Gary is much less than $100 per day, again lucky there. Marina's made a few bucks and I have 3 win pictures, so he's all good as far as I'm concerned.

GBBob · #14 10-29-2008, 02:37 PM

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The trainer and jock fees come out of that 110k. He doesn't need much vet work, so I'm lucky there. Gary is much less than $100 per day, again lucky there. Marina's made a few bucks and I have 3 win pictures, so he's all good as far as I'm concerned.

Exactly...if you applied accounting rules to most of us, we probably shouldn't be doing this

phystech · #15 10-30-2008, 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Scav

My guesses on 100% ownership

$100 per day training
$750 per month in vet
$100 per month blacksmith
$50 per month grooming
$50 per month (entries, pony to post)
$75 per month insurance

OUCH!!!!

When I see numbers like that, I realize how lucky I am to have the trainer and vet I have in MD.

If my vet bill is higher than $150 month, it's a bad month and there's something dreadfully wrong with the horse.

My training bill day rate is a little more than half that posted.

Insurance is $180 a year - liability insurance only, no mortality.

Gate fees are typically $20 per race.

And, I only pay 10% trainer comm on a top three finish money, not on every dime earned.

But then again, I don't run for the larger NY purses either.......but I still have a good chance of turning a profit if we manage our horse right and put him/her in the right spots.

Kasept · #16 10-30-2008, 10:48 AM

The day rate there is high. $75 a day more typical...

Scav · #17 10-30-2008, 10:56 AM

I was estimating NY numbers, for what is considered a high end trainer. I heard that Pletcher is like $150 a day or something. So yeah, those numbers are high and I am probably way off

Linny · #18 10-30-2008, 11:16 AM

I wish the horse in my avatar cost $100/month to the farrier. He's just a riding horse!.

Pgiaco, is that Marina in your avatar? He looks like my boy!

Kasept · #19 10-30-2008, 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Scav

I was estimating NY numbers, for what is considered a high end trainer. I heard that Pletcher is like $150 a day or something. So yeah, those numbers are high and I am probably way off

You're not that high... $90 isn't unusual. There's all kinds of trainer-owner deals going on out there too.

parsixfarms · #20 10-30-2008, 11:31 AM

The trainers that we have used in NY have been in the $80-100/day range, and vet work depends on the horse. Based on our experience, if your horse is in training a full year, you need to earn about $45,000 to break even (considering the deductions - jockey, NYTHA, backstretch pension, etc. - that come straight out of earnings with the Horsemen's Bookkeeper, and the standard 10% that goes to the trainer from placings).