selling picks

[tap]

When I am putting horses up on this board that I am going to play I am sweating bullets to get them posted in time. the reason for this is I am trying to squeeze every drop of info that I can. Waiting for the inevitable added scratch after scratches have been put up. Monitoring the weather to try and predict if a rogue thunderstorm is going to come through and drop a 1/2 of rain on the turf course at 2:30 in the afternoon etc. etc. And in spite of our best efforts, odds, circumstances, and fate will change as soon as the gate is sprung.

thats right tap, me too. In addition, just posting who you like doesnt exactly get you in the analysis hall of fame.
Its the info you provide and reasons that you like or dislike ceratin horses that is really valuable. It may trigger an "oh yeah!!! that rail was dead!!!" response in someone who was between two horses.
I'm not gonna be posting any more analysis or selections though. Has lead to too many arguments. Its just too hard to put that kind of effort into doing something and using info from trainers and clockers as well, to get nothing back but grief.

I agree Moni, tip sheets are junk and worthless.

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Oracle, I certainly understand why you feel the way you do with regard to not posting selections and or analysis anymore, but I would say to you to also consider the positives when weighing your decision. Think about the satisfaction you have knowing you helped someone score on a horse, or watching your analysis of the race unfold just as you predicted. Think about the thank you posts that you get on this board or elsewhere from people who are genuinely appreciative.

On the subject of analysis it is a dual edged sword for me. For years we have had the writers and cappers (drf, Computer Cappers, tip sheets) who have specialized in the one line analogy, i.e. gets top jock today, trainer is deadly second off the claim, should have favorable pace scenario today, etc. All valid factors and legitimate analysis of a horse's attributes in a race. Then we have some cappers, (many on this board) who give thoughtful, extensive and extroadinary analysis that would be worthy of a book IMO. But what happens when you have that late scratch that changes the pace scenario? or the race comes off the grass late? Most people who do not follow racing will not understand these changing factors and if you try to explain to them what happened after the race it will appear to them as if you are making excuses.

As you pointed out in your earlier post how do you give worthy analysis of a race with out waiting long enough to consider any late developing factors? And if you wait long enough how do you get it posted in time? I admire the people that can, but for me it is a time constraint thing. I simply do not have enough time to give the analysis I would like and would not want to just come up with something half hearted so to speak. Anyway I hope you reconsider your decision not to put up selections or analysis as many here really enjoy them.

Originally Posted by tap

Oracle, I certainly understand why you feel the way you do with regard to not posting selections and or analysis anymore, but I would say to you to also consider the positives when weighing your decision. Think about the satisfaction you have knowing you helped someone score on a horse, or watching your analysis of the race unfold just as you predicted. Think about the thank you posts that you get on this board or elsewhere from people who are genuinely appreciative.

On the subject of analysis it is a dual edged sword for me. For years we have had the writers and cappers (drf, Computer Cappers, tip sheets) who have specialized in the one line analogy, i.e. gets top jock today, trainer is deadly second off the claim, should have favorable pace scenario today, etc. All valid factors and legitimate analysis of a horse's attributes in a race. Then we have some cappers, (many on this board) who give thoughtful, extensive and extroadinary analysis that would be worthy of a book IMO. But what happens when you have that late scratch that changes the pace scenario? or the race comes off the grass late? Most people who do not follow racing will not understand these changing factors and if you try to explain to them what happened after the race it will appear to them as if you are making excuses.

As you pointed out in your earlier thread how do you give worthy analysis of a race with out waiting long enough to consider any late developing factors? And if you wait long enough how do you get it posted in time? I admire the people that can, but for me it is a time constraint thing. I simply do not have enough time to give the analysis I would like and would not want to just come up with something half hearted so to speak. Anyway I hope you reconsider your decision not to put up selections or analysis as many here really enjoy them.

Perhaps on email I will create a list of receivers who wish to receive it.

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By the way this was a great subject for a thread.

[tap]

Originally Posted by oracle80

Perhaps on email I will create a list of receivers who wish to receive it.

There you go my man! Excellent idea.

[BillinCT]

Let me preface this by saying that we have never met. But as someone who is newer to the the game I have found your insight very useful and educational. For example I now transcribe my TG sheet numbers in red to the racing form as you have suggested to other posters. I am sure there are others like myself who are not as comfortable posting their picks, but use your analysis to check out a horse we may have overlooked or for tips to construct a pick 3 or 4 ticket. Just to let you know your opinions are apreciated. That is one of the reasons that I frequent this Board. Thanks

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Originally Posted by BillinCT

Let me preface this by saying that we have never met. But as someone who is newer to the the game I have found your insight very useful and educational. For example I now transcribe my TG sheet numbers in red to the racing form as you have suggested to other posters. I am sure there are others like myself who are not as comfortable posting their picks, but use your analysis to check out a horse we may have overlooked or for tips to construct a pick 3 or 4 ticket. Just to let you know your opinions are apreciated. That is one of the reasons that I frequent this Board. Thanks

Thanks, and its hard for me to ever down a request from anyone for anything. I will create and email list. Its just that the agenting work overlaps with race analysis and watching races(obviously). WHen IM gonna analyze a days races(do ususally 4 tracks) teh prep workl and number transcribing alone is two hours or three. Thats not even including the analyzing of the races once that is done.Ad of course speaking with my friend teh clocker about the 1sters. Writing it up in an intelligent manner takes a while as well. I've tried to keep the suggested plays on pik-3's and pik-4s to a cheap enough amount that anyone casually playing could play them. I myself will spread out a race more than I post sometimes in realitym but I assume that not everyone wants to spend 200 bucks ona pik-4 ticket. If posting this stuff is going to cause any problems here, its just not worth it for anyone. I came up with the signature line below based on a few complaints froom the weekend. LOL!! It just seemd fitting.

[dr. fager]

I can definitely see your point, no reason to constantly be on the defensive around here.

In a way, I guess the people who do appreciate it aren't as quick to speak out as the haters, and that's not right. I haven't met you either, but you've helped me a few times and always would answer any question I had. And I do appreciate it. I haven't played since the new board, but the one tip I still follow from the espn board was the highlighting of the form first, and then going back through, it has helped me not miss things.

Anyway...just thought I'd put that out there.

[Pointg5]

Originally Posted by dr.fager

I can definitely see your point, no reason to constantly be on the defensive around here.

In a way, I guess the people who do appreciate it aren't as quick to speak out as the haters, and that's not right. I haven't met you either, but you've helped me a few times and always would answer any question I had. And I do appreciate it. I haven't played since the new board, but the one tip I still follow from the espn board was the highlighting of the form first, and then going back through, it has helped me not miss things.

Anyway...just thought I'd put that out there.

Yep, I use that as well and when I have Thoros, copy them, takes forever, but very helpful. I don't know how you do that for 4 tracks a day Oracle, I would go crazy. It was great advice though...

[BillinCT]

I can certainly understand that you have other responsibilties and priorities, but whatever information you can throw our way is appreciated. Good luck!

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

Originally Posted by oracle80

Thanks, and its hard for me to ever down a request from anyone for anything. I will create and email list. Its just that the agenting work overlaps with race analysis and watching races(obviously). WHen IM gonna analyze a days races(do ususally 4 tracks) teh prep workl and number transcribing alone is two hours or three. Thats not even including the analyzing of the races once that is done.Ad of course speaking with my friend teh clocker about the 1sters. Writing it up in an intelligent manner takes a while as well. I've tried to keep the suggested plays on pik-3's and pik-4s to a cheap enough amount that anyone casually playing could play them. I myself will spread out a race more than I post sometimes in realitym but I assume that not everyone wants to spend 200 bucks ona pik-4 ticket. If posting this stuff is going to cause any problems here, its just not worth it for anyone. I came up with the signature line below based on a few complaints froom the weekend. LOL!! It just seemd fitting.

i havent seen any complaints.....if a harty good job is ok than why not post them.......

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Yeah, if the email thing is to much trouble than just keep putting it up on the board. The nay sayers be damned!

Hooves what is a "harty good job'? I can usually decipher Hoovese, but you got me on that one. lol

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by BillinCT

I can certainly understand that you have other responsibilties and priorities, but whatever information you can throw our way is appreciated. Good luck!

I second that. I'm not a huge player (don't have the $$ to play with the big boys), but I respect O's judgement on the ponies when it comes to gambling for sure.

[disappearingdan_akaplaya]

Originally Posted by dr.fager

I can definitely see your point, no reason to constantly be on the defensive around here.

In a way, I guess the people who do appreciate it aren't as quick to speak out as the haters, and that's not right. I haven't met you either, but you've helped me a few times and always would answer any question I had. And I do appreciate it. I haven't played since the new board, but the one tip I still follow from the espn board was the highlighting of the form first, and then going back through, it has helped me not miss things.

Anyway...just thought I'd put that out there.

i hope the"hater" comment wasnt directed at me since im the one who started this thread. again i have zero respect for those who sell picks.......nothing short of pond scum! if you dont like my opinion well sorry too bad for you. and also again i dont feel sorry for any FOOL who buys picks and loses their money, you deserve what you get

[dr. fager]

Originally Posted by disappearingdan_akaplaya

i hope the"hater" comment wasnt directed at me since im the one who started this thread. again i have zero respect for those who sell picks.......nothing short of pond scum! if you dont like my opinion well sorry too bad for you. and also again i dont feel sorry for any FOOL who buys picks and loses their money, you deserve what you get

Playa, no...not at all. The people that are posting his picks elsewhere and giving him grief, just happened to be on this thread. I'm hbgbswanson from espn....

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by disappearingdan_akaplaya

i hope the"hater" comment wasnt directed at me since im the one who started this thread. again i have zero respect for those who sell picks.......nothing short of pond scum! if you dont like my opinion well sorry too bad for you. and also again i dont feel sorry for any FOOL who buys picks and loses their money, you deserve what you get

He doesn't like selling picks either... he was saying that Oracle should continue to post his picks on the board, even if the "haters" don't like it. He made no mention of the original title to this thread.