Iavarone afraid ?

[stonegossard]

Why cant Mike Iavarone just admit he is afraid to race vs Curlin in a REAL dirt race. He knows Curlin is dirt horse and not a turf or Poly horse, so he is keeping BB away from dirt. So now he wants a match race which would give BB a HUGE advantage. Why not just run in The Clark Hdcp at CD which is a Grade I with a 500k Purse in a race with OTHER horses. If BB is a great horse like they believe then run him in a real race on the dirt. Not as some side-show act on NBC at halftime of a ND game.



SARATOGA SPRINGS - Seabiscuit vs. War Admiral, the sequel? Everyone has been calling for a showdown between Big Brown and Curlin, and yesterday, appearing on the morning OTB TV show, Michael Iavarone of IEAH Stable proposed a match race between the two colts, to take place after the Breeders' Cup. Before the Belmont, Iavarone was dead-set against a match race, but since then, he said privately, his research has revealed they are not inherently dangerous; "and besides, our horse will be in front by 10."

His idea envisioned the race being held at Churchill Downs during half-time of a Notre Dame football game, with IEAH and Jess Jackson, Curlin's owner, each putting up $2 million, winner take all. The last day of Churchill's fall meet is Sat., Nov. 29, but the Notre Dame-USC game that day does not begin until 8 p.m. eastern. No response yet from the Curlin camp.

Well that got me fired up.

[stonegossard]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

Well that got me fired up.

Next Iavarone will challenge Curlins camp to a race where Curlin is connected to a sulky carrying Rosie O'Donnell while BB runs without a jockey.

[IrishofNDMan]

Here Come The Irish!

[Rudeboyelvis]

This is probably pretty obvious, but I'm guessing it has something to do with the fact that he represents an organization that feels (rightfully so) that they have absolutely nothing to gain an everything to lose. What if, hypothetically, he freaks and beats Curlin? Does anyone really think BB is better??!! Not hardly. Of course if he loses, he'll be relegated to "tallest pygmy" status in a year that was exceptionally light in talent, thus negatively impacting his initial fee. It's a lose - lose for IEAH.

[stonegossard]

Originally Posted by IrishofNDMan

Here Come The Irish!

Like the coach....dislike the program though. It has been rather entertaining watching them flop the last few years.

[stonegossard]

Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis

This is probably pretty obvious, but I'm guessing it has something to do with the fact that he represents an organization that feels (rightfully so) that they have absolutely nothing to gain an everything to lose. What if, hypothetically, he freaks and beats Curlin? Does anyone really think BB is better??!! Not hardly. Of course if he loses, he'll be relegated to "tallest pygmy" status in a year that was exceptionally light in talent, thus negatively impacting his initial fee. It's a lose - lose for IEAH.

Actually it's the complete opposite. For breeding purposes he has zero to lose. If he loses to Curlin does not effect his fee for breeding. He isnt expected to beat Curlin. But..if he wins the fee will move up substantially. Iavarone is just chickens#it. He has NOTHING to lose by running vs Curlin.

The fact is BB was all out in The Haskell to beat a horse that really isnt any good. Ivarone knows deep down that his horse would get crushed in a dirt race vs Curlin.

Originally Posted by stonegossard

Like the coach....dislike the program though. It has been rather entertaining watching them flop the last few years.

Curlin is in a different world then big brown, Big Brown would not get close to Curlin, Curlin wins for fun

[stonegossard]

Originally Posted by hrfan

Curlin is in a different world then big brown, Big Brown would not get close to Curlin, Curlin wins for fun

I couldnt agree more. The only shot he would have MIGHT be in a match race where maybe Kent D could slow the horse down enough to hold on. That being said...it's Kent Desormeaux...would probably go out in the first quarter in 21 and change.

[Rudeboyelvis]

Originally Posted by stonegossard

Actually it's the complete opposite. For breeding purposes he has zero to lose. If he loses to Curlin does not effect his fee for breeding. He isnt expected to beat Curlin. But..if he wins the fee will move up substantially. Iavarone is just chickens#it. He has NOTHING to lose by running vs Curlin.

The fact is BB was all out in The Haskell to beat a horse that really isnt any good. Ivarone knows deep down that his horse would get crushed in a dirt race vs Curlin.

BB added another G1 to his resume in the Haskell. 5 years from now no one will remember who he beat or how much he beat them by or how crappy the field was, especially if he turns out to be a serviceable stallion. Considering both horses will be entering stud service the same year, and that BB has no chance at beating Curlin, he has nothing to gain by racing Curlin. You call it chickesh!t, it call it managing a business. C'est la vie.

[pick4]

Originally Posted by stonegossard

Why cant Mike Iavarone just admit he is afraid to race vs Curlin in a REAL dirt race. He knows Curlin is dirt horse and not a turf or Poly horse, so he is keeping BB away from dirt. So now he wants a match race which would give BB a HUGE advantage. Why not just run in The Clark Hdcp at CD which is a Grade I with a 500k Purse in a race with OTHER horses. If BB is a great horse like they believe then run him in a real race on the dirt. Not as some side-show act on NBC at halftime of a ND game.



SARATOGA SPRINGS - Seabiscuit vs. War Admiral, the sequel? Everyone has been calling for a showdown between Big Brown and Curlin, and yesterday, appearing on the morning OTB TV show, Michael Iavarone of IEAH Stable proposed a match race between the two colts, to take place after the Breeders' Cup. Before the Belmont, Iavarone was dead-set against a match race, but since then, he said privately, his research has revealed they are not inherently dangerous; "and besides, our horse will be in front by 10."

His idea envisioned the race being held at Churchill Downs during half-time of a Notre Dame football game, with IEAH and Jess Jackson, Curlin's owner, each putting up $2 million, winner take all. The last day of Churchill's fall meet is Sat., Nov. 29, but the Notre Dame-USC game that day does not begin until 8 p.m. eastern. No response yet from the Curlin camp.

Actions speak louder than words.

[stonegossard]

Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis

BB added another G1 to his resume in the Haskell. 5 years from now no one will remember who he beat or how much he beat them by or how crappy the field was, especially if he turns out to be a serviceable stallion. Considering both horses will be entering stud service the same year, and that BB has no chance at beating Curlin, he has nothing to gain by racing Curlin. You call it chickesh!t, it call it managing a business. C'est la vie.

I am sorry.....but going around saying that "We have the best horse...I dont understand why people think Curlin is a good horse....etc" then ducking Curlin is the exact definition of chiceknsh#t. Dutrow and these guys are talking a big game, but are terrified to race Curlin in a real race.

Beating a horse of the quality of Curlin WILL help his value. Not sure why you cant comprehend that. When he goes to the breeding shed yes he will have a bunch of GRade I's...but people in the business will remember that he beat the worst crop of 3 yr olds in decades...if not ever.

I'm quite sick of the attention they're getting. BOTH sides. They don't run their horses enough to talk smack. These horses and their owners are pussies and I have no interest in watching them face one another.

One race isn't going to mean jack and s.hit. Real athletes compete against one another all of the time. Horse racing's top athletes are about as interesting as Men's Doubles Table Tennis bronze medal match. WGAS.

[stonegossard]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

I'm quite sick of the attention they're getting. BOTH sides. They don't run their horses enough to talk smack. These horses and their owners are pussies and I have no interest in watching them face one another.

One race isn't going to mean jack and s.hit. Real athletes compete against one another all of the time. Horse racing's top athletes are about as interesting as Men's Doubles Table Tennis bronze medal match. WGAS.

[pick4]

Originally Posted by stonegossard

I am sorry.....but going around saying that "We have the best horse...I dont understand why people think Curlin is a good horse....etc" then ducking Curlin is the exact definition of chiceknsh#t. Dutrow and these guys are talking a big game, but are terrified to race Curlin in a real race.

Beating a horse of the quality of Curlin WILL help his value. Not sure why you cant comprehend that. When he goes to the breeding shed yes he will have a bunch of GRade I's...but people in the business will remember that he beat the worst crop of 3 yr olds in decades...if not ever.

Talk is cheap. Why would you take anything these connections say seriously?
Forgone Conclusion. LOL

[stonegossard]

Originally Posted by pick4

Talk is cheap. Why would you take anything these connections say seriously?
Forgone Conclusion. LOL

They are full of sh#t. No doubt.


Would just love to see that fat pig Dutrow's excuse when Curlin beats Little Brown by 15 lengths.

[SentToStud]

Originally Posted by stonegossard

They are full of sh#t. No doubt.


Would just love to see that fat pig Dutrow's excuse when Curlin beats Little Brown by 15 lengths.

Dream on. It's not going to happen.

Why would they run Big Brown against Curlin? He can't beat him and he already has four Grade 1 wins on dirt. So they will run him on turf and synthetic and if he runs big in both of those it will increase his value tremendously.


Bown's next two races are worth millions to the owners. Why would they give it away by trying to beat a horse they know they cannot beat?

[Scav]

Originally Posted by SentToStud

Dream on. It's not going to happen.

Why would they run Big Brown against Curlin? He can't beat him and he already has four Grade 1 wins on dirt. So they will run him on turf and synthetic and if he runs big in both of those it will increase his value tremendously.


Bown's next two races are worth millions to the owners. Why would they give it away by trying to beat a horse they know they cannot beat?

How is the next race worth millions to them? When an non graded turf stakes race doesn't mean much, unless they have something in the contract where if they win a 500k turf stakes they get so-so. I understand what winning the BCC does? but this turf race is garbage

[stonegossard]

Originally Posted by SentToStud

Dream on. It's not going to happen.

Why would they run Big Brown against Curlin? He can't beat him and he already has four Grade 1 wins on dirt. So they will run him on turf and synthetic and if he runs big in both of those it will increase his value tremendously.


Bown's next two races are worth millions to the owners. Why would they give it away by trying to beat a horse they know they cannot beat?

I agree BB cant beat him. But then why does Iavarone suggest a match race? Thats the whole purpose of this thread. Iavarone is chickensh#t and knows BB cant beat Curlin on dirt in a real race. Thats why he suggested a type of race that he might have .000000000000001 % chance of winning vs Curlin.

By the way...how is his next race at MTH worth Millions to the connections? It's a made up non-graded set up race.


According to pig face Dutrow his horse can beat Curlin......

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Scav

How is the next race worth millions to them? When an non graded turf stakes race doesn't mean much, unless they have something in the contract where if they win a 500k turf stakes they get so-so. I understand what winning the BCC does? but this turf race is garbage

Don't you think a turf race is a good prep (and far better than a dirt prep) for racing on synthetic? Seems a very logical thing to me ...