5/31 (TDN): Ohio Derby (Gr. II) Smooth Air-102 BSF - Page 4

ateamstupid · #61 05-29-2008, 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Bobby Fischer

whos better

z fortune, your round, cherokee artist or commentator?

Depends on who gets to the lead.

Bobby Fischer · #62 05-29-2008, 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Depends on who gets to the lead.

you really think Commentator could get a Mile&1/8th ?

hockey2315 · #63 05-29-2008, 10:26 AM

Well he did run a 123 BSF at 1 1/8.

Bobby Fischer · #64 05-29-2008, 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by hockey2315

Well he did run a 123 BSF at 1 1/8.

pffft 3 years ago, and the effort pretty much relegated him to gradeII status.

hockey2315 · #65 05-29-2008, 10:36 AM

Commentator would beat those three horses by double digits - I'm assuming you're just joking. . .

Bobby Fischer · #66 05-29-2008, 10:42 AM

yes

EDIT

what a race

Doubt commentator runs back on a week's vacation. Scratch the superhorse.

Your Round is one of the few here that doesn't seem to be crippled by 9furlongs. I like him to either win or be in the money. Hopefully somewhat below the radar with such names as Smooth Air in the mix.

Z Fortune prefers a mile, but this is his class. He is also a big beast. If he can get a good trip he can bid here.

cherokee is probably too green.

Your Round/ZFortune & hoping the public jumps on the air up there

stonegossard · #67 05-29-2008, 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid

But Dew's worked so hard for the honor.

Seriously though, I never said FD ran better on Monday. I said I thought he's as good as Commentator, maybe better. That may or may not prove to be true (depending on one's criteria). For the record, I don't think anybody in the Met ran all that well.

No comment on Dew.......

I think Commentator is a better horse than FD...showed it the other day the way he put him away after being passed. Never been a big fan of FD....

I thought The Met was a good race. Commentator ran his eyeballs out...although he got a perfect set up, Divine Park ran well.....after that though you are right....no one else ran.

I bet Lord Snowdown for the 48th straight time.....when will I learn.

stonegossard · #68 05-29-2008, 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by slotdirt

LOL at douchenozzle.

Yes...was about to get mad at him for calling me that...but damn...thats a great friggin word.

The Bid · #69 05-29-2008, 03:19 PM

I think Smooth Air is going to be very tough in the Ohio Derby. Looking forward to him winning

Cajungator26 · #70 05-29-2008, 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by stonegossard

Yes...was about to get mad at him for calling me that...but damn...thats a great friggin word.

It sure is. LOL

alysheba4 · #71 05-29-2008, 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Nice spelling there douchenozzle. Why don't you jump off my sack? At least Andy is funny when he breaks my balls.

mr. t pitys that flanel wearing poser fool........

herkhorse · #72 05-31-2008, 06:42 AM

If I could bet this race I'd play Cherokee Artist

Seems like this is the race where alot of Derby hopefuls go to start their fade into oblivion.

justindew · #73 05-31-2008, 04:36 PM

Smooth Air is solid.

hockey2315 · #74 05-31-2008, 04:37 PM

How many he win by? Glad Cherokee Artist got bet way down because I wanted to play him.

King Glorious · #75 05-31-2008, 05:25 PM

I don't know why I'm going to try this but here goes. I don't think that First Defence is a better horse than Commentator is. Not even close. Just like I don't think Lamar Odom is a better basketball player than Kevin Garnett is. Again, not close. What Commentator and Garnett have in common is what they are good at, they are GREAT at. Commentator, when allowed to run alone and control a pace, is as brilliant as we've seen in a while. Garnett, when allowed to be a complimentary player, is outstanding too. But when either it taken out of their element and asked to do something different, both of them lose a little something and lesser horses or players can sometimes make up the difference. I think this is what he was trying to get at when he said that First Defence is a better horse; because he's a little more versatile. I remember having a converasation about Candy Ride a couple of years ago along these same lines. I had told someone that singularly, Candy Ride didn't have the resume to be voted as the champion horse on the dirt or on the turf but when combined, maybe he did have the resume to be voted HOY. Or Lava Man. He may not have been the best dirt horse in 2006 and he may not have been the best grass horse either but maybe he was the best overall horse. Maybe none of this makes sense but I think that's what he was trying to get at, that's he'd take a horse that can do more things above average than one that can do only one thing, even if he's brilliant at that one thing. Think of it another way. Would you rather have one player that can get you 45 points if his jumper is falling but he can't ever put the ball on the floor and get to the basket and he can't play any defense and he doesn't rebound well or pass well..........or would you rather have a guy that may only get you 20 points but he can create his own shot, get you 6-8 rebounds, get you 4-6 assists, and also play some defense?

stonegossard · #76 05-31-2008, 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by justindew

Smooth Air is solid.

That might be the worst ever field in a 300k Race. As long as he keeps on running vs garbage like he faced today he will be fine.

Visionaire woulda won by 5.

blackthroatedwind · #77 05-31-2008, 05:52 PM

I like the analogy and what you say makes a lot of sense. Personally I prefer a horse that is truly exceptional in a certain way but obviously a horse with real ability that is tractable has advantages.

The problem in this specific comparison, and I know you weren't specifically espousing this belief, is that First Defence has never really done anything of merit and has, in fact, disappointed more often than not when faced with any real test. Maybe the argument works better between Commentator and Divine Park, in that Divine Park will probably never equal the electrifying performance that Commentator delivered in the Whitney but because of his talent and tractability he is more reliable to accomplish more in a broad spectrum.

War Pass is a horse that also comes to mind. There is no real question that he is a superior talent but there was always the question of whether or not he could rate effectively. As of now it appears he can't and in many ways that may have proven his undoing. War Emblem had those same questions going into the Preakness, but he managed to rate, and ended up winning the race.

King Glorious · #78 05-31-2008, 06:00 PM

I think Divine Park is a much better example. I suppose that going into the race, he figured Divine Park and First Defence were both capable of doing the same thing, something that I didn't see before and certainly don't see after. Personally, I'd take the brilliant horse too. If you give me a choice between two horses and say they will run three races each and the average Beyer will be 105, I'd rather have one that will go 105-120-90 than the one that will go 105-105-105.

The Bid · #79 05-31-2008, 07:28 PM

Visionaire couldnt get Smooth Air out of a jog, foolish

arulus · #80 05-31-2008, 07:50 PM

I like following Smooth Air, just because there are so few horses that there are to follow these days! He's a nice little horse with a solid shot at some Grade III's and Grade II's in the future, and he's outrun his pedigree. Plus, maybe they'll run him longer because he seems less likely to rake in the big bucks at stud. I read they're going to aim him next for the Iowa or West Virginia Derby.