IEAH group

[SentToStud]

Originally Posted by Better Than Honour

they are bad for the game just like the arabs are bad for the game. they buy other people's horses after they start racing. this trend of top horses being taken away from trainers is disturbing. curlin, big brown, and all the ieah horses were all trained by somebody else originally. it too reminds me of the yankees just going around and buying up the best talent.

the major concern though with ieah is that they are trying to make the sport profitable and it isn't that easy. you wonder where they will cut corners and what they will be willing to do to turn a profit for their owners if they hit a tough patch, which they will.

Isn't that the point?

I really don't get how you can label the buyers of horses-in-training bad for the sport. It might be bad for fans who don't get to see the level of quality graded stakes fields there were 20 years ago but fans, for better or worse, have no legitimate constituency in the financing of the sport, other than takeout.

On takeout and even on the issue of meds regulation, where I do think fans/bettors have a legitimate stakeholder position, I have not seen any traction whatsoever on any efforts to effect change. I thought Jerry Brown was talking about doing interesting things 6-9 months ago but I haven't seen anything develop.

Maybe with the Louvre opens in Abu Dhabi, the horse hungry Sheikhs (not "the arabs") will find something else to obsess over. But the contraction of ownership of top tier horses is nothing new. Sangster paid $13 Million for a filly 20-25 years ago, which in 2007 dollars would dwarf what The Green Monkey brought. It will probably cycle away eventually from what it is now.

Frankly, there is a reason horses change hands when they are bought. Kathy O'Connell is a good trainer but she's no Todd Pletcher. Same for Helen Pitts-Assmussen and Reynolds-Dutrow. There's never a guarantee but who wouldn't want to take their shot with a trainer responsible for winning Eclipse Awards?

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by SentToStud

Isn't that the point?

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Maybe with the Louvre opens in Abu Dhabi, the horse hungry Sheikhs (not "the arabs") will find something else to obsess over. But the contraction of ownership of top tier horses is nothing new. Sangster paid $13 Million for a filly 20-25 years ago, which in 2007 dollars would dwarf what The Green Monkey brought. It will probably cycle away eventually from what it is now.

This I agree with

Frankly, there is a reason horses change hands when they are bought. Kathy O'Connell is a good trainer but she's no Todd Pletcher. Same for Helen Pitts-Assmussen and Reynolds-Dutrow. There's never a guarantee but who wouldn't want to take their shot with a trainer responsible for winning Eclipse Awards?

This is so wrong

[jms62]

Originally Posted by eajinabi

I just hate it when people dislike succesful people.
What has IEAH done wrong for the industry??? nothing. Heck they could have retired Kip Deville after the BC but no they continue for a second title.

Just because they wear nice itallian suits and own the next possible triple crown winner doesn't mean they are bad people. The heads of that operation must have worked hard to earn the money for thier success. Do people just get money from heaven and start a succesful stable??

If you still dont like them then do us a favor and dont bet on them so others can cash in.

http://www.thoroughbredtimes.com/nat...ing-probe.aspx

One would think that IEAH would move far away from having anything to do with a trainer with a checkered past.

[HaloWishingwell]

I agree , the least they could have done was get a trainer who is questionable but without any suspensions. But Drugtrow?This guy has tested some of stuff on himself.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by eajinabi

I just hate it when people dislike succesful people.
What has IEAH done wrong for the industry??? nothing. Heck they could have retired Kip Deville after the BC but no they continue for a second title.

Just because they wear nice itallian suits and own the next possible triple crown winner doesn't mean they are bad people. The heads of that operation must have worked hard to earn the money for thier success. Do people just get money from heaven and start a succesful stable??

If you still dont like them then do us a favor and dont bet on them so others can cash in.

Oh, god bless those noble souls. They returned a son of the legendary sire KIPLING to the track, and are planning on giving us the pleasure of seeing him all of THREE times this year. Forget it, I <3 IEAH now.

[HaloWishingwell]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Another benefit? What's the first one?

It cushions horse manure without the bounce.

[Revidere]

I find that the fact that Iavarone was looking to get everyone in the winner's circle a breath of fresh air. A friend of mind was an investor in Captain Bodgit and Irwin basically told them forget about going down to the winner's circle.

I know Louisville didn't need their help, but they pumped some big bucks into that city.

My only advice to Pompa would be see if the colt could run in his silks 25% of the time. Now that would be fun.

[The Bid]

Maybe thats because they dont take pictures of the horse who runs second in the Derby. What should Irwin have done, tell the investor to come on down and get a picture with the winning connections horse?

[Split Rock]

Originally Posted by SentToStud

Frankly, there is a reason horses change hands when they are bought. Kathy O'Connell is a good trainer but she's no Todd Pletcher. Same for Helen Pitts-Assmussen and Reynolds-Dutrow. There's never a guarantee but who wouldn't want to take their shot with a trainer responsible for winning Eclipse Awards?

Talk about sheep....wow is that an ignorant comment. I cannot believe people that follow racing can be so buffaloed. Of course Helen Pitts is no Assmussen. She is an honest trainer and Assmussen isn't.

The reason IAEH bought Big Brown is because they knew the horse was legit because it was trained by Kathy O'Connell and knew "the miracle worker" Richard Dutrow would get the horse to play the piano.

C'mon dude....wake up here. Assmussen, Dutrow and Pletcher win a lot of races because they use substances others do not have access to or the money to be able to have access to. It's not very complicated.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by Split Rock

Talk about sheep....wow is that an ignorant comment. I cannot believe people that follow racing can be so buffaloed. Of course Helen Pitts is no Assmussen. She is an honest trainer and Assmussen isn't.

The reason IAEH bought Big Brown is because they knew the horse was legit because it was trained by Kathy O'Connell and knew "the miracle worker" Richard Dutrow would get the horse to play the piano.

C'mon dude....wake up here. Assmussen, Dutrow and Pletcher win a lot of races because they use substances others do not have access to or the money to be able to have access to. It's not very complicated.

Actually, it is pretty complicated, and if you think it's only those three that are serious offenders, you need to open your eyes. Big Brown was trained by Pat Reynolds before the purchase, by the way.

[SentToStud]

Originally Posted by Split Rock

Talk about sheep....wow is that an ignorant comment. I cannot believe people that follow racing can be so buffaloed. Of course Helen Pitts is no Assmussen. She is an honest trainer and Assmussen isn't.

The reason IAEH bought Big Brown is because they knew the horse was legit because it was trained by Kathy O'Connell and knew "the miracle worker" Richard Dutrow would get the horse to play the piano.

C'mon dude....wake up here. Assmussen, Dutrow and Pletcher win a lot of races because they use substances others do not have access to or the money to be able to have access to. It's not very complicated.

Yes, I am a sheep. Or, at least a fan of decent shish kabob. You sure showed me. All this time I didn't know Kathy O'Connell was Big Brown's prior trainer. You must excuse my cluelessness, if you are beneficent enough, as you are the only person who knew this.

I shall alert the appropriate media.

[Split Rock]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Actually, it is pretty complicated, and if you think it's only those three that are serious offenders, you need to open your eyes. Big Brown was trained by Pat Reynolds before the purchase, by the way.

Yes. Pat Reynolds. Doesn't matter. The point is the same.

[Revidere]

Originally Posted by The Bid

Maybe thats because they dont take pictures of the horse who runs second in the Derby. What should Irwin have done, tell the investor to come on down and get a picture with the winning connections horse?

You are kidding right? I guess I should have spelled it out. (Didn't think I had to) He was saying don't bother to come down if Captain Bodgit WON the race. Talk about missing the point!

[VOL JACK]

Originally Posted by Revidere

You are kidding right? I guess I should have spelled it out. (Didn't think I had to) He was saying don't bother to come down if Captain Bodgit WON the race. Talk about missing the point!

Even I got that one..

[ELA]

What a rough crowd, LOL.

Eric

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by Danzig

not necessarily the owners i have a problem with.. altho you have to wonder why, with all the trainers, they chose the one they chose. what mindset comes to the conclusion that dutrow is the man to go to??
yeah, you guys may have a point.

Because they wanted to win.

I think a lot of people on these boards play the role by trying to act like they'd be above board with everything they do but I doubt that it would really be like that if they were involved. Once you get into the business side of a lot of things, the bottom line becomes more important than it is while you are just a fan. A lot of people hate him but I think that Jim Rome is pretty much hitting it on the head in sports when he says "if you aren't cheating, you aren't trying and it's only cheating if you get caught."

As for Dutrow, I like the guy. As BTW said, all he did before the race was tell people what he really felt. That was refreshing for me. I can't stand for trainers that have a horse that should be 1/5 or a coach of a team that's a 30-pt favorite to talk up the opponents like it's the toughest match he's ever going to have. Just be honest and say what you really feel. I can respect that. I'm not saying that Dutrow is the best guy in the world but I don't hold his past against him like some of you seem to do.