The Green Monkey - Page 2

Rupert Pupkin · #21 08-01-2006, 11:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Thoroughbred Fan

All I heard from folks I know is that he is a real looker, who has not yet been tested at any distance. A good 1f doesn't even mean he'll be very good at 6f. They said he could be anything from nothing to great, but Pletcher was definitely feeling th epressure to prove the owners right.

You can actually tell alot about a horse's ability from watching them work an 1/8th of a mile. The time of the work is not the most important thing. The way the horse moves is what really matters.

The Green Monkey can definitely run. I don't know if he's a stakes horse or anything like that. But as long as he stays sound, he should be able to break his maiden pretty quickly.

miraja2 · #22 08-02-2006, 08:12 AM

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Originally Posted by largo1

let's think back and name the horses that were expensive and still won.... Someone go first...

AP Indy cost a lot and was worth it.

I don't really have an opinion one way or the other on TGM, but I understand people like boldruler saying "I would love to see him never break his maiden." I mean $16 million is stupid.
If this horse goes on to earn $4 million on the track the investment will have been worth it, and the trend will coninue. But if he earns $45,000 in his career....we can all have a good laugh at the fools who paid that much $$ for an unproven horse, and maybe people will think twice in the future about that kind of investment.

#23 08-02-2006, 08:54 AM

He worked this morning and a clocker I know said he went 1:03 for 5 furlongs.

Seattleallstar · #24 08-02-2006, 10:34 AM

my clocker in NY had him go 58 flat for the work

#25 08-02-2006, 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Seattleallstar

my clocker in NY had him go 58 flat for the work

At first it was funny, but I think everyone has caught on.

irishtrekker · #26 08-02-2006, 10:37 AM

Poor horse...terrible name, controversial buy...good thing he doesn't have a clue, apart from the stablemates snickering at his moniker.

#27 08-02-2006, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by oracle80

From the gossip I hear he may not exactly fulfill those expectations!!! To say the least!!

A macho bidding war product does not translate to wins on the track. Even though I like Pletcher, I gotta hope he flops to stop the insanity.

#28 08-02-2006, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by oracle80

He worked this morning and a clocker I know said he went 1:03 for 5 furlongs.

That isnt too bad if they were just going out there to stretch his legs. But if they were wanting to blow him out then it doesnt look good.

2Hot4TV · #29 08-02-2006, 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by largo1

Well, I don't know if this horse will prove to be worth $16 mil, probably not, but if he wins a few it will be good for the industry. I really, really, really love to see a horse that was bought dirt cheap win,,, but let's think back and name the horses that were expensive and still won.... Someone go first...

If someone wanted to put the time into your list they could start with most of Seattle Slew's babys that made it to the track. He really had a poor % of runners that made it to the track, but the ones that raced were big winners.

#30 08-02-2006, 10:51 AM

I dont think Monkey will be making his debut at Saratoga. There is only 4 more weeks in the meet and I think this was Monkey's 1st or 2nd work. A trainer likes to see about 4-6 works in a row. He prob still needs to be schooled in the gate and be approved by the starter. I couldnt imagine him making is debut at Keeneland. I am thinking Belmont will be his 1st start.

kentuckyrosesinmay · #31 08-02-2006, 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by sumitas

he had a breathtaking work at the sale. i saw it on the net and it was awsome. i give him credit for that.

His work was phenomenal, but I have seen a few colts that I like better than him...an Orientate, a Red Bullet, a Touch Gold, and an Indian Charlie. I will be very surprised if The Green Monkey lives up to his expectations though as they are probably almost impossible to achieve by any horse. I think he will be a great sprinter/miler, but he is probably not a route-type horse IMO.

#32 08-02-2006, 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by kentuckyrosesinmay

His work was phenomenal, but I have seen a few colts that I like better than him...an Orientate, a Red Bullet, a Touch Gold, and an Indian Charlie. I will be very surprised if The Green Monkey lives up to his expectations though as they are probably almost impossible to achieve by any horse. I think he will be a great sprinter/miler, but he is probably not a route-type horse IMO.

I dont know why people keep saying about his expectations. I dont get it. Just because he cost some money doesnt mean you have to put lofty expectations on him. It is just like a 1st round draft pick in the NBA. Darko was taken 2nd before Wade. Detroit spent millions on him and he didnt pan out. No big deal at all. My only expectation of this horse is to see him race. I dont care if he doesnt win a race, or goes undefeated. I just want to see him race.

#33 08-02-2006, 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Seattleallstar

my clocker in NY had him go 58 flat for the work

Absolutely ... :58 flat for the first 4f.

kentuckyrosesinmay · #34 08-02-2006, 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by eurobounce

I dont know why people keep saying about his expectations. I dont get it. Just because he cost some money doesnt mean you have to put lofty expectations on him. It is just like a 1st round draft pick in the NBA. Darko was taken 2nd before Wade. Detroit spent millions on him and he didnt pan out. No big deal at all. My only expectation of this horse is to see him race. I dont care if he doesnt win a race, or goes undefeated. I just want to see him race.

I haven't put lofty expectations on him, but I'm sure everyone else has. I don't care what a horse cost the owners. If he can run, then he can run. If he can't, then he can't. It is as simple as that. The horse doesn't know what his price tag was or what his odds are. None of that stuff matters to me because the horse doesn't have an opinion about it.

The Green Monkey can run. He's in my top five horses that I liked at the sales this year. He will definitely win a race as long as he stays sound. I don't expect him to be a world beater as hardly any horses are, but I do predict that he will definitely prove himself to be a nice, classy racehorse.

In my opinion, a nice rachorse is a horse that goes out on the track, gives it his all, and wins races whether they be stakes, allowances, or claiming. They don't have to be a stakes quality horse for me to consider them a nice horse.

#35 08-02-2006, 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by eurobounce

I dont know why people keep saying about his expectations. I dont get it. Just because he cost some money doesnt mean you have to put lofty expectations on him. It is just like a 1st round draft pick in the NBA. Darko was taken 2nd before Wade. Detroit spent millions on him and he didnt pan out. No big deal at all. My only expectation of this horse is to see him race. I dont care if he doesnt win a race, or goes undefeated. I just want to see him race.

But ... WHY do you want to see him race?

Do you just like seeing all thoroughbreds race ... or do you want to see him race because of the money? And isn't that the exact same reason why everyone else wants to see him race?

Just trying to understand your thinking.

#36 08-02-2006, 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Bold Brooklynite

But ... WHY do you want to see him race?

Do you just like seeing all thoroughbreds race ... or do you want to see him race because of the money? And isn't that the exact same reason why everyone else wants to see him race?

Just trying to understand your thinking.

I just want to see him race. I love watching all thoroughbreds race. I get excited when Hoosier runs live. I love to watch the baby's race. My interest in the horse is not money, this is the horse (along with 7 others) than I have picked to watch as 2 year olds. Then I can see them develop into a 3 year old etc etc. To me, that is much more fun than wagering.

#37 08-02-2006, 01:04 PM

The horse gets his own article each time he works. Ridiculous.

http://racing.bloodhorse.com/viewstory.asp?id=34677

#38 08-02-2006, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by eurobounce

I just want to see him race. I love watching all thoroughbreds race. I get excited when Hoosier runs live. I love to watch the baby's race. My interest in the horse is not money, this is the horse (along with 7 others) than I have picked to watch as 2 year olds. Then I can see them develop into a 3 year old etc etc. To me, that is much more fun than wagering.

That's a very commendable and healthy perspective.