Secret Oath

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

A horse wins the KY Oaks with a 94 Beyer and she's a generational talent.

Vic, stop trolling....and don't pretend you aren't.

HOW IN THE HELL AM I TROLLING when I asked for your opinion?

Earlier I said I thought she was very special.

You said you didn't think so.

Based on today's effort I wondered if your opinion had changed.

I respect your opinion.

You and your man crush are guilty of what you constantly accuse me of.

Let's FOR THE FINAL FREAKIN TIME try this again.

Do you think generational is still in play?

OMG OMG OMG am I sick of you two clowns.

You did it. You did what you ALWAYS do. You wore me down.

I tried to treat you both with the respect of talking about horses.

You just can't do it. PATHETIC.

See you in another year when I try again.

Enjoy each other!!!!!!

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by v j stauffer

HOW IN THE HELL AM I TROLLING when I asked for your opinion?

Earlier I said I thought she was very special.

You said you didn't think so.

Based on today's effort I wondered if your opinion had changed.

I respect your opinion.

You and your man crush are guilty of what you constantly accuse me of.

Let's FOR THE FINAL FREAKIN TIME try this again.

Do you think generational is still in play?

OMG OMG OMG am I sick of you two clowns.

You did it. You did what you ALWAYS do. You wore me down.

I tried to treat you both with the respect of talking about horses.

You just can't do it. PATHETIC.

See you in another year when I try again.

Enjoy each other!!!!!!

Sharp post

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

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He's just trolling for attention. It's sad.

[Alabama Stakes]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

A horse wins the KY Oaks with a 94 Beyer and she's a generational talent.

Vic, stop trolling....and don't pretend you aren't.

How much does Beyer pay you every time you say 94 beyer ? Is it more when you say 104 beyer speed figure ?

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by Alabama Stakes

How much does Beyer pay you every time you say 94 beyer ? Is it more when you say 104 beyer speed figure ?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3O4J4DH4tyo

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3O4J4DH4tyo

He's such a loser that I'm actually embarrassed I was friendly with him once. Kind of makes me glad I didn't get him those Phish tickets.

[Alabama Stakes]

Ever wonder why so many fans dislike you , Andy ?

[RolloTomasi]

What is the definition of a "generational talent" exactly?

The history of the Kentucky Oaks is replete with fillies that won the race after running the table in their respective region ahead of the race.

Secret Oath certainly hasn't done anything more (and probably less in terms of speed figures and 2yo form) than horses like Lite Light, Blush with Pride, Tiffany Lass, Blushing K D, Secret Status, and Princess of Sylmar, never mind horses like Rachel Alexandra, Open Mind, Silverbulletday, Rags to Riches, Untapable, and Monomoy Girl.

Is Malathaat a generational talent?

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

He's such a loser that I'm actually embarrassed I was friendly with him once. Kind of makes me glad I didn't get him those Phish tickets.

Yeah he’s a real generational loser.

[Alabama Stakes]

You guys are mad because Vic is a better handicapper than y’all.

THIS IS WHAT JERRY BROWN OF THORO-GRAPH WROTE BEFORE YESTERDAY'S RACE.........

As we pointed out before the Arkansas Derby, Secret Oath reminds us of
Eight Belles, who also suddenly got better over the winter at Oaklawn, and
stayed at that level. But where Eight Belles was overraced, Secret Oath has
had two fewer starts coming into Louisville, and has an old-fashioned 3yo
pattern for an old-fashioned trainer—a pair of tops followed by an off race.
With five weeks rest we expect her to get right back to her top, which makes
her a very strong contender.
Note that this filly is out of a mare that ran big numbers, but not until she
was older, and her previous foals did nothing at two. If she stays sound
Secret Oath could be something special.

Be sure to add what's wrong with HIM as a human being too.

Since that's the way you wanna be's handicap horses AND LIFE!

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by Alabama Stakes

Ever wonder why so many fans dislike you , Andy ?

Loathe not dislike. Ever wonder what a person is and how they will be defined?

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by v j stauffer

THIS IS WHAT JERRY BROWN OF THORO-GRAPH WROTE BEFORE YESTERDAY'S RACE.........

As we pointed out before the Arkansas Derby, Secret Oath reminds us of
Eight Belles, who also suddenly got better over the winter at Oaklawn, and
stayed at that level. But where Eight Belles was overraced, Secret Oath has
had two fewer starts coming into Louisville, and has an old-fashioned 3yo
pattern for an old-fashioned trainer—a pair of tops followed by an off race.
With five weeks rest we expect her to get right back to her top, which makes
her a very strong contender.
Note that this filly is out of a mare that ran big numbers, but not until she
was older, and her previous foals did nothing at two. If she stays sound
Secret Oath could be something special.

Be sure to add what's wrong with HIM as a human being too.

Since that's the way you wanna be's handicap horses AND LIFE!

Sharp post

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by freddymo

Loathe not dislike. Ever wonder what a person is and how they will be defined?

Andy is probably the most misunderstood person Ive ever come across. I’m sure you’d agree Freddy, as you actually know him.

The reality is, a lot of the people that “dislike” him are jealous morons that think they can do what he can do. They can’t. It’s an extremely difficult job and to maintain the level he does is just as hard. He NEVER mails it in.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by v j stauffer

THIS IS WHAT JERRY BROWN OF THORO-GRAPH WROTE BEFORE YESTERDAY'S RACE.........

As we pointed out before the Arkansas Derby, Secret Oath reminds us of
Eight Belles, who also suddenly got better over the winter at Oaklawn, and
stayed at that level. But where Eight Belles was overraced, Secret Oath has
had two fewer starts coming into Louisville, and has an old-fashioned 3yo
pattern for an old-fashioned trainer—a pair of tops followed by an off race.
With five weeks rest we expect her to get right back to her top, which makes
her a very strong contender.
Note that this filly is out of a mare that ran big numbers, but not until she
was older, and her previous foals did nothing at two. If she stays sound
Secret Oath could be something special.

Be sure to add what's wrong with HIM as a human being too.

Since that's the way you wanna be's handicap horses AND LIFE!

Didn't Jerry Brown buy Twitter? Vic, she was one of the 4 most likely winners, a ten-year-old looking at the form for 2 months would have realized she was as least as likely as any filly to win. Ultimately you are splitting hairs when handicapping a race like that. Nobody in their right mind thought she was an X. I liked Kathleen the best I thought she was most likely. You are making a filly that has never run an above par G1 figure a killer she isn't. Let it go leave the great talk for Rachel who would have beat her by a pole. I actually think given the dynamics of the race Echo Zulu ran as well as Secret Oath. We don't know if EZ needs one turn to blossom or just may need more seasoning as she obviously started late. That said would you be surprised if any of the other 3 fillies won the division? Sure S.O. is the leader right now but we are just getting started.

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

What is the definition of a "generational talent" exactly?

The history of the Kentucky Oaks is replete with fillies that won the race after running the table in their respective region ahead of the race.

Secret Oath certainly hasn't done anything more (and probably less in terms of speed figures and 2yo form) than horses like Lite Light, Blush with Pride, Tiffany Lass, Blushing K D, Secret Status, and Princess of Sylmar, never mind horses like Rachel Alexandra, Open Mind, Silverbulletday, Rags to Riches, Untapable, and Monomoy Girl.

Is Malathaat a generational talent?

In between his tears maybe Vic can actually respond to this post.

Originally Posted by Dahoss

Andy is probably the most misunderstood person Ive ever come across. I’m sure you’d agree Freddy, as you actually know him.

The reality is, a lot of the people that “dislike” him are jealous morons that think they can do what he can do. They can’t. It’s an extremely difficult job and to maintain the level he does is just as hard. He NEVER mails it in.

All the reasons why I respect his handicapping ability. Way back in the day I reached out to Andy and asked for his help with a TVG shift I was doing that involved harness racing. He COULD NOT POSSIBLY have been more GRACIOUS and HELPFUL.

To this day we have NEVER met or spoken face to face.

But OTHER people have told him I'm a bad guy. So it must be true.

It's not.

I refuse to go there about him. I'm a man and will draw my own conclusions.

My admiration for his work ethic, love of our sport and willingness to help teach horse players will always supersede the nonsense he spews about me.

He knows NOTHING about me.

You HOSS don't exist. You're words on a page that has never done anything in this industry and never will.

You're a desperately ANGRY guy that ONLY finds solace from the demons when rejoicing in other people's human frailties and failures.

The fact that you can even think you're part of any discussion about anything between ANDY SERLING and VIC STAUFFER is a testament of just how delusional you truly are.

You're a sad bug that people wipe off their windshields.

ANDY is an accomplished respected member of our industry who has put his heart and soul into making it better.

I've dedicated the last 40 years of my life trying to do the same.

So fire away with your baseless, unfounded BS and threats.

You've never mattered before and you damn sure don't now.

Don't worry. Something terrible will happen to someone today.

There's your root. Good luck.

Dead heat between CYBERKNIFE and SMILE HAPPY.

Would LOVE to know what Andy thinks.

You?

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

Andy is probably the most misunderstood person Ive ever come across. I’m sure you’d agree Freddy, as you actually know him.

The reality is, a lot of the people that “dislike” him are jealous morons that think they can do what he can do. They can’t. It’s an extremely difficult job and to maintain the level he does is just as hard. He NEVER mails it in.

Part of who you are is what you do. Harvey Pack got me into thoroughbred racing, mostly by making it fun with a bit of sage sprinkled in. Andy taught me how to handicap and the work that needed to be done to formulate a qualified opinion. Steve exposes me(us) to the horse racing ecosystem and all 3 have completely different ways of communicating, you just have to listen.

I only talk about horses with Andy when he wants to as it's way better talking about other stuff.

Originally Posted by freddymo

Didn't Jerry Brown buy Twitter? Vic, she was one of the 4 most likely winners, a ten-year-old looking at the form for 2 months would have realized she was as least as likely as any filly to win. Ultimately you are splitting hairs when handicapping a race like that. Nobody in their right mind thought she was an X. I liked Kathleen the best I thought she was most likely. You are making a filly that has never run an above par G1 figure a killer she isn't. Let it go leave the great talk for Rachel who would have beat her by a pole. I actually think given the dynamics of the race Echo Zulu ran as well as Secret Oath. We don't know if EZ needs one turn to blossom or just may need more seasoning as she obviously started late. That said would you be surprised if any of the other 3 fillies won the division? Sure S.O. is the leader right now but we are just getting started.

Freddy, the very concept of becoming generational means it takes a while to achieve.

All I've ever said is I "think" she has a chance to develop into that.

Jerry compared her to EIGHT BELLES "before" yesterdays race. In fact he did it even before the Arkansas Derby.

I said what I said after an allowance race at Oaklawn.

Last time I made that kind of prediction it was about a horse named ZENYATTA in her 2nd career start.

SECRET OATH'S win yesterday was certainly impressive. Is she "generational" yet. No of course not.

Can she become that? I think so, but I respect what others on here have to say and would like to hear your opinions as well.

Originally Posted by freddymo

Part of who you are is what you do. Harvey Pack got me into thoroughbred racing, mostly by making it fun with a bit of sage sprinkled in. Andy taught me how to handicap and the work that needed to be done to formulate a qualified opinion. Steve exposes me(us) to the horse racing ecosystem and all 3 have completely different ways of communicating, you just have to listen.

I only talk about horses with Andy when he wants to as it's way better talking about other stuff.

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