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Old 12-21-2006, 09:35 AM
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Default What does it take to make a living at punting?

Spyder’s recent thread (“Were you a winner or loser this year?”) has motivated me to quit my months of lurking and contribute to the conversation with this query: What does it take to make a living at punting?

It seems near impossible to get an accurate figure on the percentage of bettors who actually turn a large enough profit on which to live. I’d guess that those who do probably aren’t talking much about it in public forums. Alydar commented, on Spyder’s thread, that 95% of the players he knew did not win in the long run. This jives with what I’ve read in books and on the web (for what that’s worth), but I’d guess that even less, maybe 2%, actually make a decent living at gambling on horses.

Here are my thoughts on what is necessary to produce a viable income:
1) Enough time and discipline to treat it like a job. This means a full workday of such things as watching replays, updating your personal databases on whatever statistics work for you, handicapping the form or whatever you look at for past performances, selecting the best plays, and then going to the track or the turf club or a wagering site (plus, keeping accurate records of your money, afterwards).
2) Having the fortitude to sit out most of the races on a card (or cards) and wait for your selected play (I’ve heard this called having an “iron a$$”), and being able to pass on your selected play if the odds don’t reach your value line.
3) Being able to financially support yourself through those long periods of drought between the big hits that make all your dough for the year.
4) Maintaining a big stake and making huge bets. I remember reading about some self-proclaimed pro who said that he made six figures a year, but pushed nearly a million dollars through the windows to make it.

Personally, as much as I love the sport (okay, “monomaniacal” isn’t too strong a word), I’ve decided that treating my passion like a job would su˘k the very life out of it. If I break even at the end of the year, while having enjoyed some good times, I’m happy.
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Old 12-21-2006, 09:53 AM
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You need a strong leg and it helps to play in a dome, the ball travels farther when its warm and there is no wind. A good long distnace snapping center is also invaluable.
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Old 12-21-2006, 09:54 AM
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Stop brushing your teeth.
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Old 12-21-2006, 09:55 AM
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I think the dome thing is more valuable than a strong leg. I imagine its gotta be hell trying to puntin Lambeau field or in New England in January.
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Old 12-21-2006, 10:17 AM
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Smarta$$es. But seriously, haven't you ever toyed with the idea of having your own "$50,000 year at the races?"
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Old 12-21-2006, 10:18 AM
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I played full time for years. It takes a severe dedication.
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Old 12-21-2006, 10:34 AM
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I played full time for years. It takes a severe dedication.
In regards to track handicappers, is this what most of them do for their full-time jobs? It seems most of the picks they give out are "safe" plays and not the horses that are at a good value. I'm guessing what they play at the window is much different?
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Old 12-21-2006, 10:20 AM
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Smarta$$es. But seriously, haven't you ever toyed with the idea of having your own "$50,000 year at the races?"
If I was happy my total income from all sources was $50,000 a year I would shoot myself in the face.
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Old 12-21-2006, 10:45 AM
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If I was happy my total income from all sources was $50,000 a year I would shoot myself in the face.
I would take $50K/year from racetrack betting over $200,000/year in the working world any time.
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Old 12-21-2006, 01:17 PM
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If I was happy my total income from all sources was $50,000 a year I would shoot myself in the face.
what do you do, design video games?
that avatar is very offensive
I'm surprised timmhasn't PM'ed you
I've though about it, but thought better of it
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Old 12-21-2006, 10:22 AM
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I agree with you, you must treat it like a job and, I admit it, I simply do not have the time and financial backing to go "all-in". I still love the game, with a passion, but I cannot afford to really make it with my current situation.

I do wish you the best of luck, Shadow, and hope it will work out for you...

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Old 12-21-2006, 09:54 AM
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In my opinion, it takes a plan, a lot of energy, and the balls to back your opinions with real money.
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