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Old 06-02-2023, 04:11 PM
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Churchill moving races to Ellis Park

https://www.wevv.com/news/kentucky/c...39b2e05c7.html


https://www.drf.com/news/churchill-m...ing-ellis-park
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Old 06-02-2023, 04:33 PM
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Can anyone explain why they'd still run today and this weekend?
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Old 06-02-2023, 05:11 PM
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Can anyone explain why they'd still run today and this weekend?
Logistics?
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Old 06-02-2023, 05:27 PM
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Can anyone explain why they'd still run today and this weekend?
That's what makes no sense.

Plus, changing surfaces (beginnings of meets) has regularly been cited as a contributing factor in clusters of breakdowns. So this is 2nd surface change (3rd if counting KEE) since April for a significant percentage of the horse population.
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Old 06-03-2023, 06:53 AM
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That's what makes no sense.

Plus, changing surfaces (beginnings of meets) has regularly been cited as a contributing factor in clusters of breakdowns. So this is 2nd surface change (3rd if counting KEE) since April for a significant percentage of the horse population.
You have to move like 200 horses fast and get the personnel repositioned seems to me that is a tough chore in 48 hours
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Old 06-03-2023, 06:59 AM
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So how many workers at Churchill are SOL?
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Old 06-03-2023, 06:33 AM
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Can anyone explain why they'd still run today and this weekend?
I'll take for $100 Alex. Big card today with 4 Graded stakes. Trying to sneak it in and cross their fingers. Move is a show that they are doing something amid public outcry. Just my Opinion.
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Old 06-03-2023, 06:51 AM
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I think, sadly for racing, Tapeta is coming to a theater near you. What the public will not handle is horses breaking down on the track. They don't break down on Tapeta. I'm not too fond of Tapeta racing. It's boring as hell, there is a randomness about it that is super frustrating to me, and it generally sucks. I hope I am wrong, but it is the simplest solution. I respect the hard work that Alan Forman and others did in NY. I acknowledge the strides made in reducing breakdowns over the last decade. You have horses running every two weeks on Tapeta, and you have horses needing 4-6 weeks on dirt. The whole microfracture thing is interesting, but it is a nonstarter because those same horses have microfractures at TW and PDi and don't break down. Horses are going to get hurt racing. It's a dangerous and brutal game that the public will stomach. They can't handle death.

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Old 06-03-2023, 12:43 PM
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I think, sadly for racing, Tapeta is coming to a theater near you. What the public will not handle is horses breaking down on the track. They don't break down on Tapeta. I'm not too fond of Tapeta racing. It's boring as hell, there is a randomness about it that is super frustrating to me, and it generally sucks. I hope I am wrong, but it is the simplest solution. I respect the hard work that Alan Forman and others did in NY. I acknowledge the strides made in reducing breakdowns over the last decade. You have horses running every two weeks on Tapeta, and you have horses needing 4-6 weeks on dirt. The whole microfracture thing is interesting, but it is a nonstarter because those same horses have microfractures at TW and PDi and don't break down. Horses are going to get hurt racing. It's a dangerous and brutal game that the public will stomach. They can't handle death.

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Regarding synthetic. Spend less time thinking about your lack of success and more time thinking it is JAS (Just Another Surface). Think of it as a business problem in need of a solution. I've never met you but those I know that have speak highly of you. You can and will figure it out.
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Old 06-03-2023, 04:11 PM
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Freddie,

Regarding synthetic. Spend less time thinking about your lack of success and more time thinking it is JAS (Just Another Surface). Think of it as a business problem in need of a solution. I've never met you but those I know that have speak highly of you. You can and will figure it out.
Respectfully, I think this dismisses his concern, if I read him right. One of the joys of handicapping is trying to come up with reasoned opinions and hope you’re right. When you end up wrong, we at least want to be able to look back and understand an outcome. When you start just getting random results that don’t make any logical sense other than “that’s just racing”, I think that will hurt the sport long term.
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Old 06-03-2023, 07:13 PM
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Freddie,

Regarding synthetic. Spend less time thinking about your lack of success and more time thinking it is JAS (Just Another Surface). Think of it as a business problem in need of a solution. I've never met you but those I know that have speak highly of you. You can and will figure it out.
Freddy is a great guy. Seriously.

He’s very confused politically but he’s aces as a person.
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