Do any trainers not cheat?

[Revolution]

When is somebody going to clean this sport up.

The Delaware Thoroughbred Racing Commission on Tuesday upheld a 30-day suspension and $1,000 fine against Scott Lake, the nation's leading trainer, after one of his horses was found to have the drug clenbuterol in its system.

After winning the fifth race at Delaware Park on June 7, the Lake-trained Secret Run tested positive in urine and blood samples for clenbuterol, a drug used to open the bronchial passages. Commission rules allow the drug to be used but it cannot be in a horse's system on race day.


It is nice to know if you didn't bet on his horse in that race the guy basically stole from you. How is this guy still allowed to train horses?

Originally Posted by Revolution

When is somebody going to clean this sport up.

The Delaware Thoroughbred Racing Commission on Tuesday upheld a 30-day suspension and $1,000 fine against Scott Lake, the nation's leading trainer, after one of his horses was found to have the drug clenbuterol in its system.

After winning the fifth race at Delaware Park on June 7, the Lake-trained Secret Run tested positive in urine and blood samples for clenbuterol, a drug used to open the bronchial passages. Commission rules allow the drug to be used but it cannot be in a horse's system on race day.


It is nice to know if you didn't bet on his horse in that race the guy basically stole from you. How is this guy still allowed to train horses?

Do you think that everyone who has a clenbuterol positive should be barred? Yes or no. And I want you to think about this answer before you give it.

[Revolution]

Originally Posted by oracle80

Do you think that everyone who has a clenbuterol positive should be barred? Yes or no. And I want you to think about this answer before you give it.

Of course not. I thought you were Mr. I hate cheaters. Now you are defending the ones that get caught. Interesting. Did Dutrow ever get caught cheating? Just curious.

Originally Posted by Revolution

Of course not. I thought you were Mr. I hate cheaters. Now you are defending the ones that get caught. Interesting. Did Dutrow ever get caught cheating? Just curious.

Define cheating princess. Your buddy in maryland has a clen postive as well.

[The Bid]

Its very easy to give an overage of Clen, trainers miss cut dates, trainers miss a lot of things. Trainers dont want to pay good help, they would rather have a bunch of skunks running around f'ing everything up. There is no excuse for a clen over, none. If you know the cut day it should never happen. However Mr.Lake is the king of Clen. We have taken horses off of him and had them crash days after we stopped clen. They wouldnt pick up the bit, they wouldnt even get into a gallop. They were flat as pancakes. Very sound, just flat. I think its just like human withdrawl from clen. When I used to be very into working out I would take clen as a cut cycle while reducing water. A few weeks after offing clen I would be exhausted, have horrible headaches, shake badly. It doesnt do all that to horses, but the crashing can be related. Lots of trainers use clen, I would say probably 90%I dont think anyone uses it to the extent Mr Lake does.

To answer the question there are a lot of trainers that dont cheat.

[saucon17]

Just have to love the headline on the DRF website on this Lake positive

"Lake to appeal latest ban"


My Friend has claim off Lake and said the same thing that are flat and
seem to have withdrawl symptoms

[paisjpq]

http://www.ivis.org/proceedings/AAEP/2000/229.pdf

pay particular attention to page 4...where the question of performance enhancement is addressed...
Don't get me wrong, I know some trainers use it the same way bodybuilders use it...but actual performance improvement in the horse has been disproven.

And if Scott Lake wants to claim that he was using this as legitimate treatment for mucus or other bronchial infection I will repeat what I have said before...if the horse needs to be on medication that horse should not be running.

Originally Posted by paisjpq

http://www.ivis.org/proceedings/AAEP/2000/229.pdf

pay particular attention to page 4...where the question of performance enhancement is addressed...
Don't get me wrong, I know some trainers use it the same way bodybuilders use it...but actual performance improvement in the horse has been disproven.

And if Scott Lake wants to claim that he was using this as legitimate treatment for mucus or other bronchial infection I will repeat what I have said before...if the horse needs to be on medication that horse should not be running.

Thats not realistic. And I'm still waiting for revolution to tell me if he thinks that any trainer with a clenbuterol postive should be banned for life.
One of his "buddies" that trains has a clen positive.

[kgar311]

do you know what used to open up my horses branchial passages before a race? Vicks!