Invasor and Bernardini - Time Comparison

[SniperSB23]

I find it interesting that even though Invasor and Bernardini haven't faced each other, all three of Invasor's American races this year were run at the same track and distance as a race Bernardini ran in. Here are the time comparisons:

Dist Track Invasor Bernardini
9f Saratoga 1:49.0 1:50.2
9.5f Pimlico 1:54.2 1:54.3
10f Belmont 2:01.1 2:01.0

Obviously the track at Saratoga was sloppy (although sealed) for the Jim Dandy so that probably accounts for the difference at 9 furlongs but otherwise they are dead even on raw time. The Beyer's all favored Bernardini but many of these races were single race variants so aren't very significant. I don't think there will be too much seperating Invasor and Bernardini other than their odds on BC Day. I'll be cashing my tickets on the Invincible Invasor.

[TheSpyder]

Good work Sniperman and very interesting, although Big B is always throttling down and we may see if he's got that competitive gear. If so, B's gonna kick off and say bye bye.

Spyderman

[Scav]

Snip...Time only matters in jail...

[TitanSooner]

and quarter horses

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by Scav

Snip...Time only matters in jail...

Go ahead and throw more money at the paper superstar that will be vastly overbet on November 4th. There is exactly one horse he beat that is even pre-entered in the BC Classic. Do the times not matter because he could have gone faster? That is as illusory as the idea of Bernardini being a superhorse. He ran his last two furlongs in the Traver's in 24.77 and his last two furlongs in the JCGC in 25.16. Do people really think he can go that much faster after running 8 furlongs?

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

Go ahead and throw more money at the paper superstar that will be vastly overbet on November 4th. There is exactly one horse he beat that is even pre-entered in the BC Classic. Do the times not matter because he could have gone faster? That is as illusory as the idea of Bernardini being a superhorse. He ran his last two furlongs in the Traver's in 24.77 and his last two furlongs in the JCGC in 25.16. Do people really think he can go that much faster after running 8 furlongs?

ill only say..he went like that because he didnt have to go any faster...you will see him run on bc day...

[Revolution]

Bernardini has 4 of the fastest 5 beyers run in a route this year and he wasn't asked for run in almost any race.

The only horses that can beat him are George Washington and David Junior, and that is only if they turn out to be dirt lovers. George Washington clearly has as much talent as Bernardini, but that doesn't mean it will transfer over to dirt.

[Scav]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

Go ahead and throw more money at the paper superstar that will be vastly overbet on November 4th. There is exactly one horse he beat that is even pre-entered in the BC Classic. Do the times not matter because he could have gone faster? That is as illusory as the idea of Bernardini being a superhorse. He ran his last two furlongs in the Traver's in 24.77 and his last two furlongs in the JCGC in 25.16. Do people really think he can go that much faster after running 8 furlongs?

Bern and Invasor have fairly equal tops, fig wise. That being said, Bern looks like he is going to run another top in this race, pattern wise, his progression is unbelievable fig wise....mini-layoff,top,top, mini-layoff, top, top, mini-layoff,miniscal move backward, essentially a pair, he is going to explode next Saturday

[Dunbar]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

I find it interesting that even though Invasor and Bernardini haven't faced each other, all three of Invasor's American races this year were run at the same track and distance as a race Bernardini ran in. Here are the time comparisons:

Dist Track Invasor Bernardini
9f Saratoga 1:49.0 1:50.2
9.5f Pimlico 1:54.2 1:54.3
10f Belmont 2:01.1 2:01.0

Obviously the track at Saratoga was sloppy (although sealed) for the Jim Dandy so that probably accounts for the difference at 9 furlongs but otherwise they are dead even on raw time. The Beyer's all favored Bernardini but many of these races were single race variants so aren't very significant. I don't think there will be too much seperating Invasor and Bernardini other than their odds on BC Day. I'll be cashing my tickets on the Invincible Invasor.

Let's not forget that Bernardini will be carrying the same weight he carried in the JCGC and 4 lbs LESS than he carried in the Travers. Invasor will be carrying 6 and 8 lbs MORE than he carried in his last 2 races.

--Dunbar

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by Dunbar

Let's not forget that Bernardini will be carrying the same weight he carried in the JCGC and 4 lbs LESS than he carried in the Travers. Invasor will be carrying 6 and 8 lbs MORE than he carried in his last 2 races.

--Dunbar

Last time I paid too much attention to weight I convinced myself that Magnum was going to beat Lava Man in the Goodwood. We saw how that turned out. I'm not big on factoring weight in but it is a good point you brought up.

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

Last time I paid too much attention to weight I convinced myself that Magnum was going to beat Lava Man in the Goodwood. We saw how that turned out.

I made the same mistake.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

I made the same mistake.

And so did I.

[brianwspencer]

magnum is a loser, so i didn't make the same mistake.

or at least he more or less has been since running what are now appearing to be two fluky races that are certainly the exception to his career.