So who is the "wiseguy" horse this year?

[tector]

It is not as self-evident as some years, at least not to me.

[Holybull1]

Firing Line and Upstart are getting lots of buzz it seems.

[Rudeboyelvis]

Firing Line may well wind up being the speed of the speed; Danzig Moon is probably the most talented closer...It seems those two are getting more and more attention

[Danzig]

eddie olczyk was talking about danzig moon this morning...i was like, shut up!

[letswastemoney]

El Kabeir will go off at odds drastically underneath his fair value.

[-BT-]

Upstart and Frosted

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[RHT2004]

Originally Posted by letswastemoney

El Kabeir will go off at odds drastically underneath his fair value.

I have not heard a peep about anyone liking him at all.

[RHT2004]

Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis

Firing Line may well wind up being the speed of the speed; Danzig Moon is probably the most talented closer...It seems those two are getting more and more attention

How is Danzig Moon talented at all? No one likes Carpe Diem, me included. So how can we like Danzig Moon off a non threatening 2nd to him.
Feels to me like the wise guy horse is Firing Line. Serling gave him some love on the Derby preview video also.

[lemoncrush]

Originally Posted by RHT2004

How is Danzig Moon talented at all? No one likes Carpe Diem, me included. So how can we like Danzig Moon off a non threatening 2nd to him.
Feels to me like the wise guy horse is Firing Line. Serling gave him some love on the Derby preview video also.

Agree about Danzig Moon. 30-1 ML, and have a feeling he'll go off lower that that. I don't get the love for him at all. He should be in the Pat Day Mile race, instead. I don't trust his trainer in major Grade 1 races in the U.S, either.

[pick4]

I do not believe there is a true "Wise Guy" horse in this Derby. This is a deep field and the winner of the Louisiana Derby, Florida Derby, and Wood are 15 to 1 and above. The speed figures of the top runners are pretty close . If there is a wise guy horse it is Danzig Moon but that is to hit the board which could happen.

I am still trying to figure out how this pace scenario is going to play out. Will AP go straight to the lead and not have enough stamina to hold on? Does AP have enough foundation to win this race? 10 furlongs with 20 runners is a demanding test. Is 2 easy preps against sub par Arkansas races enough? I will include him on my pick 4's but I am skeptical about him. He has never been tested in a race by serious racehorses.

[RHT2004]

Originally Posted by lemoncrush

Agree about Danzig Moon. 30-1 ML, and have a feeling he'll go off lower that that. I don't get the love for him at all. He should be in the Pat Day Mile race, instead. I don't trust his trainer in major Grade 1 races in the U.S, either.

I have a friend who likes him a lot. I just dont get it at all. You can make a case for almost anyone else, I dont get him. I would use the 2nd place horse from the Wood before Danzig Moon.

[my miss storm cat]

Originally Posted by lemoncrush

Agree about Danzig Moon. 30-1 ML, and have a feeling he'll go off lower that that. I don't get the love for him at all. He should be in the Pat Day Mile race, instead. I don't trust his trainer in major Grade 1 races in the U.S, either.

Not sure what race he should be in but basically agree with this.

Easy toss for me too.