Rainbow 6

Tough beat to whomever had the 12 and got taken down by an unjust DQ.
At least he has a story to tell at partys

[tanner12oz]

Tough beat? That was a total scam...criminal...i mean seriously this sport is a joke at times

[philcski]

Horse came out 3 paths and stopped the 13 who was going by. I've seen worse left up and lesser taken down.

[pointman]

Originally Posted by tanner12oz

Tough beat? That was a total scam...criminal...i mean seriously this sport is a joke at times

That was the textbook definition of herding. There is no doubt the 13 would have gone by if the 12 didn't come out on him.

I have seen many mind boggling calls by stewards. This was not one of them.

[cmorioles]

Worse has not only stayed up recently at Gulfstream, there wasn't even an inquiry. People want consistency, but there is none.

[pointman]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

Worse has not only stayed up recently at Gulfstream, there wasn't even an inquiry. People want consistency, but there is none.

I agree with you a 100% on that. I constantly complain about the stewards ignoring herding and often doing so without even an inquiry.

However, for someone to call it a scam, criminal and indict the sport is absurd to me. From a purely objective standpoint as to whether the DQ was justified, it seemed clear to me that it was.

Having said that, I want the same consistency from the stewards with regard to penalizing riders for herding as well. I am tired of seeing riders take tiring horses out to herd to try to prevent a horse from going by them and getting away with it.

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by pointman

I agree with you a 100% on that. I constantly complain about the stewards ignoring herding and often doing so without even an inquiry.

However, for someone to call it a scam, criminal and indict the sport is absurd to me. From a purely objective standpoint as to whether the DQ was justified, it seemed clear to me that it was.

Having said that, I want the same consistency from the stewards with regard to penalizing riders for herding as well. I am tired of seeing riders take tiring horses out to herd to try to prevent a horse from going by them and getting away with it.

I agree, though I don't think it was a clear DQ. The 13 caused some of the trouble too.

This is what inconsistency does though, leads people to not trust that decisions are made for "pure" reasons. Based on recent history, that should not have been a DQ. So when it benefits the track, it is always going to look REALLY bad.

I don't think there was anything nefarious underfoot, for the record, but I understand why people do.

[Kasept]

Originally Posted by helicopter11

Tough beat to whomever had the 12 and got taken down by an unjust DQ.

"Unjust"? May be termed a close call, controversial decision, whatever else, but it sure wasn't unjust. As Welsch said at the time, felt 50-50 and could be understood either way. Personally, I turned to a guy next to me while they were still 50 yards out and said the leader was coming down. I usually need the head on to see what happens in those cases, but could tell here Saez had carried Lopez out at least 3 paths. As CJ said, you hope for consistency in what they look at and how they adjudicate and the GP stewards have actually had a better winter than usual. Certainly feel awful for the ticket holder who has to absorb this kind of outcome, but the game has vagaries that test you constantly.

Originally Posted by Kasept

"Unjust"? May be termed a close call, controversial decision, whatever else, but it sure wasn't unjust. As Welsch said at the time, felt 50-50 and could be understood either way. Personally, I turned to a guy next to me while they were still 50 yards out and said the leader was coming down. I usually need the head on to see what happens in those cases, but could tell here Saez had carried Lopez out at least 3 paths. As CJ said, you hope for consistency in what they look at and how they adjudicate and the GP stewards have actually had a better winter than usual. Certainly feel awful for the ticket holder who has to absorb this kind of outcome, but the game has vagaries that test you constantly.

If its 50-50 and could be understood either way then why the take down? A disqualification should be based on indisputable evidence that Saez caused Lopez a placing. You can agree that worse infractions haven't been taken down in the past.

I tried to watch the head-on replay again on Twinspires but interestingly enough that's the only race where the head-on replay isn't available.

[pmayjr]

http://tnetwork.trakus.com/tnet/t_Gu...TBRED&Venue=20

No head-on available here either, but from watching the normal view and the sky view, I think that DQ was iffy at best. The #12 did come out on the #13 slightly (I'd say a "minor herd-job" lol), but in my opinion not enough to impede him from going by if he had the horse. The #13 then tried to rally back in after, but wasn't really gaining and couldn't keep himself straight either. Seriously the #12 didn't block the train from passing. He (very) slightly slowed down the senior citizen from crossing the street. I disagree with it.

But on a side note- that turf course looked like it was a 2nd dirt course. Looked like what you guys were complaining about during last meet at Saratoga. They either need rain or need to water that course more.

[tector]

Originally Posted by pmayjr

But on a side note- that turf course looked like it was a 2nd dirt course. Looked like what you guys were complaining about during last meet at Saratoga. They either need rain or need to water that course more.

We need rain for sure. May be some later in the week. It has been quite warm.

[ateamstupid]

Whoa. I think that was actually a worse beat than yesterday's for whoever had the 3.

[pointman]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Whoa. I think that was actually a worse beat than yesterday's for whoever had the 3.

The fix must have been in Joey. Zayas must have been instructed by track personal to let the 11 get up in the final yards.