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10-05-2006, 07:22 AM
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best BC Classic future prices from 5 racebooks
Here is a composite of the best future prices I could find a few hours ago for the BC Classic. The list has an implied takeout of 10%. There are several on the list that you could pretty confidently say won't be in the Classic, such as Stevie Wonderboy, and that would lower the implied takeout even further. But the flip side is that there is an excellent chance there will be one or more starters in the Classic that are not on this list.
Bernardini 2.05 Greek Invasor 6.95 Greek Lava Man 7 SIA Shirocco 25 Pinny Dylan Thomas 25.5 Greek David Jr 14 VIP,WSEX StrongContendr 35.5 Greek Discreet Cat 25 VIP Sun King 18 VIP,SIA Premium Tap 40 VIP Seek Gold 50 VIP Lawyer Ron 30 VIP Giacomo 50 Pinn/VIP Brass Hat 45.5 Greek StevieWond/boy 45.5 Greek Suave 60 VIP Super Frolic 50 Pinn/VIP Perfect Drift 50 VIP PointDetermind 66 SIA Bright One 36.98 Pinny Brother Derek 50 VIP FlowerAlley 60 VIP "Greek" is TheGreek.com, the book formerly known as Olympic. "VIP" is VIPsports, which has the same lines as Gameday. "WSEX" is World Sports Exchange, wsex.com "SIA" is SportsInteraction.com. This sportsbook is NOT A-rated like the others. But they have never stiffed anyone that I've heard about. --Dunbar
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Curlin and Hard Spun finish 1,2 in the 2007 BC Classic, demonstrating how competing in all three Triple Crown races ruins a horse for the rest of the year...see avatar photo from REUTERS/Lucas Jackson 
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10-05-2006, 09:46 AM
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Tim, they were taking bets on the dead Second of June for a week afterwards. Its buyer beware out there.
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10-05-2006, 10:19 AM
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Right now the biggest joke is wsex.com, which still has a listing for Jazil, Cindago, Declan's Moon, Wilko, Sweetnorthernsaint, Greater Good. And adding insult to injury (so to speak), the highest odds on any of those is 40-1. For the Kentucky Derby, you can always count on an exciting competition between CRIS and Carib for who takes future bets on injured or dead horses the longest. btw, Gameday/VIP still has Second of June listed, at 1-1 no less. I presume there is some weirdness in their software that makes it impossible to remove SOJ from their list, but that's pretty weird. --Dunbar
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Curlin and Hard Spun finish 1,2 in the 2007 BC Classic, demonstrating how competing in all three Triple Crown races ruins a horse for the rest of the year...see avatar photo from REUTERS/Lucas Jackson
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10-05-2006, 10:19 AM
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Right now the biggest joke is wsex.com, which still has a listing for Jazil, Cindago, Declan's Moon, Wilko, Sweetnorthernsaint, Greater Good. And adding insult to injury (so to speak), the highest odds on any of those is 40-1. For the Kentucky Derby, you can always count on an exciting competition between CRIS and Carib for who takes future bets on injured or dead horses the longest. btw, Gameday/VIP still has Second of June listed, at 1-1 no less. I presume there is some weirdness in their software that makes it impossible to remove SOJ from their list, but that's pretty weird. --Dunbar
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Curlin and Hard Spun finish 1,2 in the 2007 BC Classic, demonstrating how competing in all three Triple Crown races ruins a horse for the rest of the year...see avatar photo from REUTERS/Lucas Jackson
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10-05-2006, 10:26 AM
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btw, Gander and randall, there are futures up for some of the other races. TheGreek has the most BC races listed, 5. But both VIP and wsex have lines up for the Distaff and the Sprint.
Here are the Greek's listings for the F&M Turf, for example: 1751 Ouija Board +305 1752 Alexandrova +645 1753 Gorella +525 1754 Wait A While +425 1755 Alexander Goldrun +1015 1756 Germance +1215 1757 Pictavia +1615 1758 Honey Ryder +1015 1759 Film Maker +1215 1760 Dance In The Mood +2050 1761 Silver Cup +2550 1762 Melhor Ainda +2550 1763 Rajeem +3050 1764 Noble Stella +3050 1765 My Typhoon +4050 1766 Latice +4050 1767 Arravale +4050 1768 Sharp Lisa +3050 (+3050 means 30.5 to 1, etc) --Dunbar
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Curlin and Hard Spun finish 1,2 in the 2007 BC Classic, demonstrating how competing in all three Triple Crown races ruins a horse for the rest of the year...see avatar photo from REUTERS/Lucas Jackson
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10-05-2006, 03:06 PM
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you(or they) left off AP Arrow. Ive looked at this race from every angle and I just cant get past him. Freakishly fast. Repent
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#8
10-06-2006, 10:34 AM
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TheGreek's odds on Dylan Thomas dropped in half, from 25.5-1 to 12.5-1. TheGreek is not as jumpy as Pinnacle, so that drop probably represents some significant money, or at least some money TheGreek considers smart. The best current odds on Dylan Thomas is the 16.5-1 at Caribsports.com. Carib's reputation is somewhere in between the A-books and SIA. VIP/Gameday's odds on Discreet Cat dropped from 25-1 to 7.5-1! But those books do not take action very well, so that could represent just a smallish bet. The only other book offering odds on Discreet Cat is WSEX.com at 8-1. --Dunbar
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Curlin and Hard Spun finish 1,2 in the 2007 BC Classic, demonstrating how competing in all three Triple Crown races ruins a horse for the rest of the year...see avatar photo from REUTERS/Lucas Jackson
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10-06-2006, 10:43 AM
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All those odds and no Wanderin Boy? Any way to deal them like stocks? I don't think Wanderin Boy stands a chance in the Classic but after he wins the JCGC his odds will plummet. Be nice if I could get him now at 50-1 and then deal it for a profit after the JCGC.
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10-06-2006, 12:00 PM
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As far as "selling" the futures, Pinnacle will usually put up a wins/loses line once it becomes clear who's in. Tradesports may make a market in it, too. Also, Ehorse has recently re-opened its horse betting exchange, but I haven't checked it out yet. (Talk about bad timing--they reopened, with a big email announcement, on the exact day that the new Internet gaming law went through Congress.) --Dunbar
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Curlin and Hard Spun finish 1,2 in the 2007 BC Classic, demonstrating how competing in all three Triple Crown races ruins a horse for the rest of the year...see avatar photo from REUTERS/Lucas Jackson
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