2013 Hall of Fame Inductees

[Merlinsky]

http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-raci...class-for-2013

Calvin made it in along with Lure, Invasor, and Housebuster.

[Kasept]

Love me some Lure. (A-)

Housebuster did enough. (B-)

I don't begrudge Borel but wouldn't have voted for him. (C+)

Liked him as a horse but Invasor as HOFer utterly mystifying. (F)

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Kasept

Love me some Lure. (A-)

Housebuster did enough. (B-)

I don't begrudge Borel but wouldn't have voted for him. (C+)

Liked him as a horse but Invasor as HOFer utterly mystifying. (F)

[Alabama Stakes]

Borel over the Ant ? Really ? I guess 5000 wins is a ton of wins. Maybe next time for Chris.
I hope the Hall of Famer rides like one next saturday, though if he doesn't fall off, Rev should be fine. Invasor did beat some nice hosses that he wasn't supposed to beat. He was a tough competitor. Only lost once.

[Calzone Lord]

Sprinters and turf horses almost never make it. You have a historical bias against them that is slowly giving way.

Invasor was 5-for-5 here -- all Grade 1 wins including an edition of the Breeders Cup Classic that has been more above par than most of the recent ones.

Also a Dubai World Cup win abroad.

The older males have been extraordinarily weak for the last several years. A horse like Blame would be considered one of the better ones, and he'd have no chance in hell with Invasor. Invasor and Curlin were both locks to make the Hall of Fame.

I'd give Lure, Housebuster, and Invasor all a B.

[keithting]

I hate to say it (since Thoroughbred Racing needs as many positives as it can get these days)......

but Invasor's election to HOF is "really reaching"

[Calzone Lord]

Originally Posted by keithting

I hate to say it (since Thoroughbred Racing needs as many positives as it can get these days)......

but Invasor's election to HOF is "really reaching"

If he didn't get in ... it would mean another jockey would have to in the new format.

Like it or not ... but if a horse come to the USA, runs just five times, wins five Grade 1's in those five races and leaves for the Dubai World Cup, wins that, and retires...it's going to be recognized as a Hall of Fame career.

If you're complaining about Invasor, just wait two or three more years.

[Kasept]

Originally Posted by Calzone Lord

Sprinters and turf horses almost never make it. You have a historical bias against them that is slowly giving way.

Invasor was 5-for-5 here -- all Grade 1 wins including an edition of the Breeders Cup Classic that has been more above par than most of the recent ones.

Also a Dubai World Cup win abroad.

The older males have been extraordinarily weak for the last several years. A horse like Blame would be considered one of the better ones, and he'd have no chance in hell with Invasor. Invasor and Curlin were both locks to make the Hall of Fame.

I'd give Lure, Housebuster, and Invasor all a B.

Jay Privman talked about it this morning. He's a voter and also on the nominating committee. He says that a lot of the times when discussing sprint and turf types as nominees he has to really stress and explain their merits to those that say, 'he was just a sprinter' or 'but he only ran on turf' as if dirt routers are the only horses that are supposed to be considered for induction.

I loved Invasor during his career but take a close look at who he beat in those domestic G1's. Not an august group. And arguably, had Castellano not been dizzy from the Distaff spill, Bernardini may well have beaten Invasor in the Classic. Heckuva nice horse but can't see him as a HOFer. Very fair point about what will qualify long term though.

(EDIT: Invasor victims: PIM Special (Wanderin Boy, West Virginia), Suburban (Wild Desert, Andromeda's Hero), Whitney (Sun King, West Virginia), Classic (Bernardini, Premium Tap), Donn (Hesanoldsalt, A.P. Arrow), World Cup (Premium Tap, Bullish Luck)..

[Calzone Lord]

Originally Posted by Kasept

Jay Privman talked about it this morning. He's a voter and also on the nominating committee. He says that a lot of the times when discussing sprint and turf types as nominees he has to really stress and explain their merits to those that say, 'he was just a sprinter' or 'but he only ran on turf' as if dirt routers are the only horses that are supposed to be considered for induction.

I loved Invasor during his career but take a close look at who he beat in those domestic G1's. Not an august group. And arguably, had Castellano not been dizzy from the Distaff spill, Bernardini may well have beaten Invasor in the Classic.

Steve... the bias against sprinters and turf horses is something that has been going on even before Privman was born. And it was a lot stronger the further back you go.

I know who Invasor beat in those Grade 1's and I agree that Bernardini ran the better race in the Classic.

If you think Invasor is ridiculous get ready for horses like Gio Ponti and Ashado.

[my miss storm cat]

16-6-1 from 32...
Won over $1.3 million (all time leading money earner, steeplechase)...

At 5: Won Hard Scuffle Hurdle -G1, Supreme Hurdle S.
At 6: Won Breeders' Cup Steeplechase -G1, Royal Chase for the Sport Of Kings Hurdle -G1, Colonial Cup (NTR)
At 7: Won Breeders' Cup Steeplechase -G1
At 8: Won Breeders' Cup Steeplechase -G1, Colonial Cup -G1
At 9: Won Breeders' Cup Steeplechase -G1, Colonial Cup -G1, Somerset Medical Center Race for Cancer Awareness Hurdle Stakes -G2
At 10: Won Breeders' Cup Steeplechase -G1

Congrats to the connections of Mc Dynamo.