KY Derby Point System

[Calzone Lord]

* Grade 1 Routes (mile and up) (20-10-4-2)

* Grade 2 Routes on dirt or synthetic (10-5-2-1)

* Grade 3 Routes on dirt or synthetic and all Grade 1 sprints (6-3-1)


It's much more simple, competent, and fair than the point system they came up.

[asudevil]

Originally Posted by Calzone Lord

* Grade 1 Routes (mile and up) (20-10-4-2)

* Grade 2 Routes on dirt or synthetic (10-5-2-1)

* Grade 3 Routes on dirt or synthetic and all Grade 1 sprints (6-3-1)


It's much more simple, competent, and fair than the point system they came up.

Finally...a little common sense.

[Mawhip]

Originally Posted by asudevil

Finally...a little common sense.

Yes. A lot of common sense. The BC Juv is worth the same as the El Camino Real Derby.

[Calzone Lord]

Even worse -- a 4th place finish in the UAE Derby is worth as much as a win in the Breeders Cup Juvenile.

Yang Tse Kiang gets 40 points just for finishing 2nd to Daddy Long Legs in the UAE Derby.

Daddy Long Legs had 100 points.

Arazi, Sweetnorthernsaint, War Emblem, Charismatic, Mine That Bird, Lemon Drop Kid, Birdstone, Ten Most Wanted, Eight Belles, Giacomo, and Sea Hero --- they had a combined total of 104 points and all ran in the Ky Derby.

So, Daddy Long Legs (100 points) VS 5 different Kentucky Derby winners, two others who were post time favorite in the Derby, and 4 different Travers winners with 104 points.

[OldDog]

Originally Posted by Calzone Lord

Daddy Long Legs had 100 points.

Arazi, Sweetnorthernsaint, War Emblem, Charismatic, Mine That Bird, Lemon Drop Kid, Birdstone, Ten Most Wanted, Eight Belles, Giacomo, and Sea Hero --- they had a combined total of 104 points and all ran in the Ky Derby.

So, Daddy Long Legs (100 points) VS 5 different Kentucky Derby winners, two others who were post time favorite in the Derby, and 4 different Travers winners with 104 points.

Did this even make the Kentucky Derby organizer's radar?

[slotdirt]

Things pop up now and again that make people complain about the graded earnings system (Danthebluegrassman, Homeboykris come to mind).

[Calzone Lord]

Originally Posted by OldDog

Did this even make the Kentucky Derby organizer's radar?

I suppose they could try and say something like "you can't compare this system with past years, because the connections of the horses in past years would have planned differently and got the points"

But, in many cases, that is simply 100% not true.

War Emblem tried the Fairgrounds route -- He was dusted in the Risen Star. They had abandoned any Derby hopes for him and took him home for the Illi Derby. Even after he destroyed Repent and ran a 112 Beyer in the ILLI Derby -- his connections weren't going to run him in the Derby. Baffert came in and bought him. War Emblem (A Derby, Preakness, and Haskell winner) would never have qualified. He had 0 points and nothing about his prep schedule would have changed.

Lukas rushed Proud Citizen back for a bid at the Derby. PC ran 7th in the SA Derby. He wasn't in a position where he could have done anything different.

Even if you say 'well, connections would have just planned different' -- ah no, third place finisher Perfect Drift is the Kentucky Derby winner in 2002.

[iamthelurker]

They came close to having a good idea here... this thing definitely needs to be tinkered with.

[Calzone Lord]

Originally Posted by iamthelurker

They came close to having a good idea here... this thing definitely needs to be tinkered with.

They just made it way more confusing, dopey, and unfair than it needed to be.

Just come out with something simple like this...

Grade 1 Routes on main track (20-10-4-2)

Grade 2 Routes on main track (10-5-2-1)

Grade 3 Routes on main track and all Grade 1 sprints (6-3-1)

And pretty much no one could complain.

[MaTH716]

Originally Posted by Calzone Lord

They just made it way more confusing, dopey, and unfair than it needed to be.

Just come out with something simple like this...




And pretty much no one could complain.

Just out of curosity sake, was anyone complaining about the Graded Earnings system?

[Calzone Lord]

Originally Posted by MaTH716

Just out of curosity sake, was anyone complaining about the Graded Earnings system?

Not that I know of.

The point system they came up with is much more complicated than the Graded earnings system.