The SUPER Super Derby

An interesting match-up in Saturday's Super Derby (gr. II) will be LAWYER RON the LANGFUHR colt,facing off against
STRONG CONTENDER, with the winner likely going on to the Classic. Also possible is California invader POINT DETERMINED, who worked five furlongs in :59 4/5 at Santa Anita Monday.


LAWYER RON , making his first start since starting from post 17, and finishing 12th in the Kentucky Derby presented by Yum! Brands (gr. I), held off 30-1 shot Smokeyjonessutton to win the $250,000 Inaugural St. Louis Derby at Fairmount Park in Collinsville, Ill., on a late August Evening, 2006

[Gander]

Welcome back Secretariat. Nice picture.

Originally Posted by Gander

Welcome back Secretariat. Nice picture.

thanks Gander, Steve and I both agreed that posting on the old spot was just impossible.

the super derby should be a good race, its got three headline acts, LR, SC and PD who is a lock to show. should have a 7 or 8 horse field, its what there is this weekend, nothing else much running, next weekend, you have the Hawthorne gold cup and the kentucky cup races. PERFECT DRIFT runs in kentucky and skips a trip to illinois and our track troubles

show up at the race that is, not a lock to show, yuk yuk....

Great race for that track....that is the track I was raised to learn the game around and it gives me some pride to see them doing well with the slots and getting horses like this in there for a big race...good to see...should be a nice race....Personally, I think very little seperates Point Determined, Lawyer Ron and Strong Contender at 1 1/8 miles....

[slotdirt]

I just don't think Point Determined is that good. The Cali 3YO's from earlier this year have proven to be a cut below.

I wonder when we'll see Sweetnorthern back - he worked the other day.

[Gander]

Personally, I think very little seperates Point Determined, Lawyer Ron and Strong Contender at 1 1/8 miles

I disagree. I think Strong Contender is much better than these, if they all run their race. While I think he was a bit overhyped this spring, especially on the ESPN board, I think hes a lot better than Point Determined and Lawyer Ron. I expect him to win this race by open lengths.

Originally Posted by Gander

Personally, I think very little seperates Point Determined, Lawyer Ron and Strong Contender at 1 1/8 miles

I disagree. I think Strong Contender is much better than these, if they all run their race. While I think he was a bit overhyped this spring, especially on the ESPN board, I think hes a lot better than Point Determined and Lawyer Ron. I expect him to win this race by open lengths.

I don't know man....you could tell that PD would get better with racing experience and age and he has had time since the Swaps to get that now...he could be dangerous.....as for Lawyer Ron, he should be the deserving favorite....hell, he is 2nd off the layoff and owns a HUGE pair of wins over that track earlier in the year that can't be denied (Fair Grounds meet). I saw the way he got over that track in person and it was impressive....I have always liked Strong Contender and he very well may be run big in here, but I still like Lawyer Ron in this spot....Remember, Strong Contenders' best races were long, one-turn races....

[SniperSB23]

Strong Pretender is the biggest fraud in racing. He's the third best horse in Ward's overrated barn and will not win here.

[Pointg5]

Lawyer Ron easily, PD is average, if it was a mile at Belmont Strong Contender would have a chance, but it's not and he will flounder...

Originally Posted by Cunningham Racing

Great race for that track....that is the track I was raised to learn the game around and it gives me some pride to see them doing well with the slots and getting horses like this in there for a big race...good to see...should be a nice race....Personally, I think very little seperates Point Determined, Lawyer Ron and Strong Contender at 1 1/8 miles....

my knock on LR pre derby was he was overraced,a dozen or so races by May 2006, and i waited for his injury announcement; turns out they let him run through the derby with bone chips.
he also was slower than SMARTY JONES, even though he had completed the SW, rebel, ark derby trifecta of preps races just like SJ. Now that he is back, i think he will defintinely hit the board here, and may or may not be the favorite.