Jeter vs Dye for MVP

Nostradamus · #1 09-13-2006, 05:47 PM

The NY Press has already given Jeter the MVP. How does Dye not get it?

Jeter- .346ba, 13hr, 92rbi
Dye- .321ba, 41hr, 114rbi

#2 09-13-2006, 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Nostradamus

The NY Press has already given Jeter the MVP. How does Dye not get it?

Jeter- .346ba, 13hr, 92rbi
Dye- .321ba, 41hr, 114rbi

Man talk about a guy who runs his mouth about something he obviously knmows nothing about, geez.
have you even seen a major league game this year?

Allow me to give you the FULL stats

Jeter- .346 ba 13 Hr 92 Rbi 102 runs scored 29 stolen bases .423 obp
Dye- .322 ba 41 hr 112 rbi 93 runs scored 7 stolen bases .388 obp

So where do we begin to educate this poor clueless soul? First of all Jeter is outhitting him by 24 points and leading him by 35 points in on base percentage. Jeter also has 9 more runs scored as wellk as 22 more stolen bases.
While Dye does have more HR, if you really look at it Jeter is getting much more productive at bats, I say this because he hits 2nd in the lineup as opposed to cleanup or 3rd like Dye does which gives Jeter far fewer chances at Rbi's(as any educated baseball fan knows) yet he has 92 RBI's already.

Jeter has also delivered many clutch hits that won games and his fielding has been great.
Jeter's fielding percentage is .976
Dye's is .982

Thats pretty unreal considering that Dye plays right field and has FAR fewer chances to field balls as opposed to playing short and getting em hit at you all night long.

Its pretty obvious that of the two fine years that Jeter's really sticks out as being more productive and the overall better of the two both in the field and at the plate.

Nostradamus · #3 09-13-2006, 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by oracle80

Man talk about a guy who runs his mouth about something he obviously knmows nothing about, geez.
have you even seen a major league game this year?

Allow me to give you the FULL stats

Jeter- .346 ba 13 Hr 92 Rbi 102 runs scored 29 stolen bases .423 obp
Dye- .322 ba 41 hr 112 rbi 93 runs scored 7 stolen bases .388 obp

So where do we begin to educate this poor clueless soul? First of all Jeter is outhitting him by 24 points and leading him by 35 points in on base percentage. Jeter also has 9 more runs scored as wellk as 22 more stolen bases.
While Dye does have more HR, if you really look at it Jeter is getting much more productive at bats, I say this because he hits 2nd in the lineup as opposed to cleanup or 3rd like Dye does which gives Jeter far fewer chances at Rbi's(as any educated baseball fan knows) yet he has 92 RBI's already.

Jeter has also delivered many clutch hits that won games and his fielding has been great.
Jeter's fielding percentage is .976
Dye's is .982

Thats pretty unreal considering that Dye plays right field and has FAR fewer chances to field balls as opposed to playing short and getting em hit at you all night long.

Its pretty obvious that of the two fine years that Jeter's really sticks out as being more productive and the overall better of the two both in the field and at the plate.

Where is slugging percentage and OPS? Or did you conveniently forget those? What a surprise you forgot those.

Dye- OPS 1.025 Jeter OPS .915
Dye-Slugging .637 Jeter Slugging .492

Dye is in the best division in baseball. He has 28 more hr's and he does not have a $200 million dollar payroll surrounding him.

timmgirvan · #4 09-14-2006, 01:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Nostradamus

Where is slugging percentage and OPS? Or did you conveniently forget those? What a surprise you forgot those.

Dye- OPS 1.025 Jeter OPS .915
Dye-Slugging .637 Jeter Slugging .492

Dye is in the best division in baseball. He has 28 more hr's and he does not have a $200 million dollar payroll surrounding him.

Dye has more people setting the table for him than Jeter due to their respective spots in batting order. Jeter in a close vote!

Nostradamus · #5 09-13-2006, 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

What exactly does the Yankees payroll have to do with anything?

Last I checked the more money you have the better players you can buy. See Abrieu. No other team could do that. It doesn't matter, the Yankees will not beat Chicago. I wish they did because El Duque would win game 7 striking out Arod with the bases loaded in the bottom of the ninth, down one run.

Nostradamus · #6 09-13-2006, 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

So Jeter is having a good year because the Yankees are good? Hmmm, that's interesting. More money means more high priced talent...that's it. Doesn't translate to wins. Wanna make a bet the Yankees beat the White Sox, or do you have to run it by big brother first?

Absolutely. Name the amount. My brother knows horses, not baseball. That is why he is a Phillies fan.

Nostradamus · #7 09-13-2006, 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

100% correct Oracle. Nostra, as usual running his mouth about things he has no idea about.

Are you going to get down on your knees for Oracle now or is your mouth already full?

Nostradamus · #8 09-13-2006, 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

That's funny, did your brother tell you to say that?

Can you repeat that? I think you are mumbling or there must be something in your mouth.

Nostradamus · #9 09-13-2006, 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Dude, get a life. Your predictions are sh*t. You talk freely about things that you have no idea about, and are almost always wrong.

I am right more than wrong. Too bad you missed out on Nobiz like Shobiz. Some of us didn't. Your lover Oracle could have filled you in considering Frank Martin told him about the horse. He was smart though and kept it to himself.

Nostradamus · #10 09-13-2006, 06:40 PM

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How do you know I didn't have the horse? I didn't see you giving it out. I see you giving out 3-5 almost every day, that for the most part have been losing. Good for you, you gave out two horses. And then you chest pumped. I have given out a winner on here, but I didn't show everyone how great I was. You're a joke.

3-5 shots that lose everyday. Please show me them? I have given out more winners than losers, one paid $24 and the other $11 the other day. Atleast I give out picks and can take losing. Where are your brilliant picks? Yes, I gave out Brilliant for $11 the other day too.

Gander · #11 09-13-2006, 07:15 PM

Mike-

The Twins are 26-5 in the 31 games Johan Santana has pitched in. How many of those 31 games would the Twins have won if say they had an average pitcher in there like Jared Wright? While Jeter is an excellent player, he doesnt have as much to do with the Yankees winning as Santana does when the Twins win. And Jermaine Dye doesnt just have "more HRs than Jeter", he has almost 30 more. And 22 more RBI. Two stats much more important in today's game than batting average.

All very awesome players, none of them bad choices to win the MVP. Even Long Duck Dong has a shot at the MVP this year.

#12 09-13-2006, 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Gander

Mike-

The Twins are 26-5 in the 31 games Johan Santana has pitched in. How many of those 31 games would the Twins have won if say they had an average pitcher in there like Jared Wright? While Jeter is an excellent player, he doesnt have as much to do with the Yankees winning as Santana does when the Twins win. And Jermaine Dye doesnt just have "more HRs than Jeter", he has almost 30 more. And 22 more RBI. Two stats much more important in today's game than batting average.

All very awesome players, none of them bad choices to win the MVP. Even Long Duck Dong has a shot at the MVP this year.

Tim thats just crazy. And Rbi's in the 2nd slot? 92? Go find me someone this year hitting in the 2nd slot with 92 Rbi's. I havent looked, I swear Tim, but thats an awful high number for a guy batting 2nd.
Whats the Yanks record in games that Rivera appeared in Tim? Bet its better than santana's!!!! Lots better.
And if home runs mean so much , why will Big papi and manny be home on the couch soon instead of in the playoffs?

Gander · #13 09-13-2006, 07:24 PM

Because the Red Sox are quitting slobs. Thats why!

Mariano only usually pitches in games with the Yankees leading or tied at worst. He doesnt do as much as Santana does in the games he pitches. That is not even arguable.

Who cares about MVP's anyways? The only thing that matters is winning the World Series.

#14 09-13-2006, 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Gander

Because the Red Sox are quitting slobs. Thats why!

Mariano only usually pitches in games with the Yankees leading or tied at worst. He doesnt do as much as Santana does in the games he pitches. That is not even arguable.

Who cares about MVP's anyways? The only thing that matters is winning the World Series.

Well if hr's mattered so much then Giambi would be the MVP of the Yankees and it just aint so.
The all around game of a player is the key.
And pitchers only pitch 30-40 times. That aint enough to get an award vs guys who play every day.
Dh's don't have to play the field and have no business winning it either.

Gander · #15 09-13-2006, 07:33 PM

I disagree but thats just my right as an American tax payer! And I hope your not trying to compare Giambi with Dye as hitters. Dye is batting a very nice .321. Not sure what Giambi is batting but I will take a gander its at least 70 points below Dye's average. Dye is the complete package, an excellent fielder to boot. I wont go into my opinion of Giambi. You all know it and frankly its as tired as dscussing polycrap.

SCUDSBROTHER · #16 09-13-2006, 07:48 PM

The only reason people care about this is because Ortiz started running his mouth about it.Ortiz probably deserves this,but I would never vote for anybody on that team for anything this year.You shut it down on the 25th of August.and you deserve nothing,and your players deserve nothing.If they want one of their players to get an award,they will get their a$$ back into to atleast pinch hit in games.I do not think Jeter has done enough.If he was so valuable,then he wouldn't be batting 2nd would he? No.So,don't tell us he would have more RBIs if he was batting 4th.His manager would bat him 4th if he was their most valuable hitter.It is a lame argument to say "if he was batting somewhere else." Anybody but those 2 (Ortiz,and Jeter)is fine with me.Atleast Ortiz has the numbers.Folks,you aren't the most valuable player unless your shooting the ball out of the park atleast 35 times a season.You just aren't.To say someboidy with less than 35 jaks is MVP material,is simply a large media push.

SCUDSBROTHER · #17 09-13-2006, 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Jeter will be either first or second in the batting title, has played outstanding short all year, and will have over 100 RBI's hitting second. What more would you like him to do? Again, I think either he or Dye should get it, but I think Jeter's season has been a definite MVP type year.

Like I said ..........minimum 35 jaks a year.You don't like that? Too bad.Powerful people are valuable.They damage.Halos survived many a single and double that little Jeter got off them.If those had been jaks,you wouldn't be wondering why the Halos have beaten you 9 times in 1 calendar year.

Nostradamus · #18 09-13-2006, 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Because it goes beyond numbers. If it were just numbers Ortiz would have won it last year. As I said in another post, each would be a worthy recipient.

It does go past numbers. It goes right to the NY media bias. Arod won it last year for the same reason. Dye will put the White Sox on his back and win the division and they still will give it to their pretty boy Derek Jeter.

#19 09-13-2006, 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Nostradamus

It does go past numbers. It goes right to the NY media bias. Arod won it last year for the same reason. Dye will put the White Sox on his back and win the division and they still will give it to their pretty boy Derek Jeter.

Yeah ok, sure. Dye will put them on his back. LOL!!! he better get started damn soon!!!!
Right now Dye and the boys are on the outside looking in at the playoff teams and the Yanks are cruising on a ten game lead.

Nostradamus · #20 09-13-2006, 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by oracle80

Yeah ok, sure. Dye will put them on his back. LOL!!! he better get started damn soon!!!!
Right now Dye and the boys are on the outside looking in at the playoff teams and the Yanks are cruising on a ten game lead.

THAT IS FEAR I SENSE IN YOUR VOICE. He was 2-5 today with 2rbis in their 9-0 win over anaheim. With Minnesota now done due to the big injury today, Chicago will walk to the world series. Just like last year.