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Old 03-22-2010, 06:55 PM
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Default Odysseus pre-Derby start at KEE or OP

Per Mike Welsch (DRF), after flirting with a train-up to the Kentucky Derby, Tom Albertrani says Padua Stables' Odysseus will start in either the Blue Grass or Arkansas Derby as a final prep.
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Old 03-22-2010, 06:56 PM
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Wow, the Wood lineup looking nice already....could be even deeper
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Old 03-23-2010, 08:27 AM
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I'm not sure I'm a believer in any horse that came out of the TB Derby crapfest.
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Old 03-23-2010, 08:34 AM
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I'm not sure I'm a believer in any horse that came out of the TB Derby crapfest.
OK John.. I'll bite. Why? Odysseus and Schoolyard Dreams both appear 'forward going' types.
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Old 03-23-2010, 08:57 AM
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OK John.. I'll bite. Why? Odysseus and Schoolyard Dreams both appear 'forward going' types.
The thing is, Steve, how much do they have to move forward?

Odysseus has shown he's a game horse but you also have to ride the hair off of him and those types seldom hold up to a setup like three races in seven weeks. Schoolyard Dreams is probably deserving of a more patient ride as it seems like Jeremy Rose has an idea of what works at Tampa that's just not good at all.

This is a question we're going to have to ask ourselves numerous times between now and May 1, that is, who can move up the most as what we've seen so far, even from top contenders like Lookin at Lucky, just isn't going to win the Derby.

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Old 03-23-2010, 09:02 AM
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I agree they have to improve but I was impressed with how Odysseus was able to regather himself despite ultimately seeming to have been ridden in a manner against the way he may be most effective. I bet he is a better one run type from farther back in the pack, and not a grinder, and if he gets a fair pace ( not saying he needs a collapse scenerio ), and is able to drop back early, he may be much more effective.

He also probably got the ride he did because they felt Super Saver was the one to beat, and didn't want him to get an easy lead, which is all reasonable thinking, but you ultimately have dance with proverbial girl that got you there, and in the future hopefully he will be farther from the lead early.
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Old 03-23-2010, 09:12 AM
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who can move up the most as what we've seen so far, even from top contenders like Lookin at Lucky, just isn't going to win the Derby.

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Lucky can run all day, and doesn't need to move up. Baffert can sit chilly training the horse, and it is evident by staying home and running in the SA derby, which he doesn't need to win, just keeping him fresh.
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Wow, the Wood lineup looking nice already....could be even deeper
Just spoke with Sanan...

Blue Grass or Arkansas Derby the choices now as opposed to Wood and Arkansas...
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Just spoke with Sanan...

Blue Grass or Arkansas Derby the choices now as opposed to Wood and Arkansas...
I would go Blue Grass.
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I would go Blue Grass.

Don't let us stop you. I suggest getting there early.....parking's a bitch.
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Old 03-23-2010, 02:09 PM
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Don't let us stop you. I suggest getting there early.....parking's a bitch.
Not a chance but I would like to see Keeneland one of these days.
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