The Spa says who needs Polytrack?

I'm kind of wondering where the conmen who push the polytrack scam are now? NYRA deepened the surface over the good cushion and I can recall only one bad breakdown so far in 4 weeks, and im not even sure of that horse was put down, I dont think he was.

Originally Posted by oracle80

I'm kind of wondering where the conmen who push the polytrack scam are now? NYRA deepened the surface over the good cushion and I can recall only one bad breakdown so far in 4 weeks, and im not even sure of that horse was put down, I dont think he was.

Watch out ...

... Sumitas will be coming down on you like a ton of ... ummm ... like a ton of ... errrr ... like a ton of ... polytrack !!!

[packerbacker7964]

Maybe after they scrap this $hit they'll be some high dollar kitty litter out there on the market because that's all it's good for if you ask me.

[Rupert Pupkin]

I think the tracks in New York are excellent. They do not need polytracks in New York.

California is a different story. I would think that we could do something else out here but we haven't been able to do anything to fix the tracks. I would rather have polytracks than what we have right now out here. You have no idea how hard it is to keep horses sound out here. Out here, you breeze a horse a half mile in :50 and they come out of the work with puffy ankles. It's crazy.

I wish they could make the tracks out here like they are in New York but I don't think they can. I'd much rather have tracks like the New York tracks than polytrack. But I'd rather have polytrack than what we have right now.

[DiscreetCat=Monster]

Polytrack=WACKTRACK

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

I think the tracks in New York are excellent. They do not need polytracks in New York.

California is a different story. I would think that we could do something else out here but we haven't been able to do anything to fix the tracks. I would rather have polytracks than what we have right now out here. You have no idea how hard it is to keep horses sound out here. Out here, you breeze a horse a half mile in :50 and they come out of the work with puffy ankles. It's crazy.

I wish they could make the tracks out here like they are in New York but I don't think they can. I'd much rather have tracks like the New York tracks than polytrack. But I'd rather have polytrack than what we have right now.

But Rupert, thats the point. Couldn't they spend half as much throwing down a better cushion and a deeper surface and accomplish the same thing?

Originally Posted by oracle80

But Rupert, thats the point. Couldn't they spend half as much throwing down a better cushion and a deeper surface and accomplish the same thing?

Hey ... Del Mar has a huge sand pit in it's back yard ... it's called the beach.

Yup ... I can see it all now ... Del Mar ... the next Big Sandy ... or at least Medium Sandy.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by oracle80

But Rupert, thats the point. Couldn't they spend half as much throwing down a better cushion and a deeper surface and accomplish the same thing?

I think they say that there is more sand in the east coast tracks and they can't use that much sand out here because there is not enough moisture in the air on the west coast.

[Scurlogue Champ]

Oracle, do you think that the quality of the horses at Saratoga has influenced the lower number of breakdowns?

I'm not sure if I do, but it is something to think about. It seems like horses who run for more money don't have as high of a chance of breaking down.

Or maybe the trainers who even have a horse that could run at Saratoga aren't the type that would put one out there that is in danger or hurting.

What are your opinions on this?

[sumitas]

i congratulate Saratoga for a job well done on the track. wasn't it a couple of years ago the NYRA brought in a new groundskeeper ? seems like he's done a great job with the NYRA tracks. but the NYRA i think wants to install the poly on the Aq inner and have a poly training track for Belmont.

does the not for profit NYRA model make for safer surfaces ? i think it does. more money for racing, not only purses and breeding incentives, but solid facilities maintenance as well because shareholders are not an issue.

[paisjpq]

Originally Posted by oracle80

I'm kind of wondering where the conmen who push the polytrack scam are now? NYRA deepened the surface over the good cushion and I can recall only one bad breakdown so far in 4 weeks, and im not even sure of that horse was put down, I dont think he was.

not sure if it is correct but I heard 4 breakdowns so far including one on the turf.

[Nostradamus]

This could be the most moronic thing I ever read. Saratoga has no need to go to polytrack. The reason though there are so few breakdowns has nothing to do with the great track surface at Saratoga though. The reason there are so few breakdowns is because of the quality of horses running there. Trainers don't need to run horses that are injured at a meet like Saratoga.

Polytrack would probably be a good idea at Aqueduct though. No need for it at Saratoga or Belmont. It actually is a good surface and Keeneland going to it can only help the horses. The only thing we know about polytrack right now is that it is atleast as safe as dirt and in some tracks where weather is a factor, it is superior.

[Pointg5]

Originally Posted by Nostradamus

This could be the most moronic thing I ever read. Saratoga has no need to go to polytrack. The reason though there are so few breakdowns has nothing to do with the great track surface at Saratoga though. The reason there are so few breakdowns is because of the quality of horses running there. Trainers don't need to run horses that are injured at a meet like Saratoga.

Polytrack would probably be a good idea at Aqueduct though. No need for it at Saratoga or Belmont. It actually is a good surface and Keeneland going to it can only help the horses. The only thing we know about polytrack right now is that it is atleast as safe as dirt and in some tracks where weather is a factor, it is superior.

This reasoning makes no sense, your for Saratoga not having Polytrack is that they are high quality horses that are not sore, but it's a good surface for Keeneland. So you are saying that there are not high quality horses at Keeneland? Is that what you are saying? If that's the case, then you do not make any sense...

I'm glad to hear Belmont and Saratoga will not go to polytrack. It makes sense to try it on one of the Aqueduct surfaces.

I hate to see this happen at Keeneland, where they only needed to make a depper, more forgiving surface with less rail bias. Imo, they rushed into this, which is very un-like the Keeneland Association. At least the Keeneland turf course will retain form.

I have yet to figure out how to play Turfway now, so I don't play it.

Just because a few crazy Brits like the stuff doesn't mean we need it or really want it. Besides, I know on no meaningful European races run on polytrack.

[Pointg5]

Originally Posted by jackofhearts

I'm glad to hear Belmont and Saratoga will not go to polytrack. It makes sense to try it on one of the Aqueduct surfaces.

I hate to see this happen at Keeneland, where they only needed to make a depper, more forgiving surface with less rail bias. Imo, they rushed into this, which is very un-like the Keeneland Association. At least the Keeneland turf course will retain form.

I have yet to figure out how to play Turfway now, so I don't play it.

Just because a few crazy Brits like the stuff doesn't mean we need it or really want it. Besides, I know on no meaningful European races run on polytrack.

Keeneland rushed into it, because they are part owners of a Poly Track company. Keeneland can have days in the Fall, where it plays very fair, then be extremely speed favoring the next. The Spring Meet is always a mystery, but I think that's because of the region just coming out of Winter that may have some effect on the track, but that's just my opinion. The Fall Meet at Keeneland is the better of the two in my opinion, because of the way the track plays, it may favor speed, but at least you can see it favoring speed, in the Spring, it's total guess of how it's going to play...