Political Climate

[joeydb]

Poll...

[timmgirvan]

Because of our tremendous foreign debt we are not masters of our own destiny.....any numbers of setbacks await us. Hopefully, we will be better prepared.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

He's not "Very Liberal," but a lot of you folks are Very Conservative. Combine you being Very Conservative with him being a Black Male, and (regardless of his policies etc.) it's amazing how left you think he is. Seems like someone who is "Very Liberal" wouldn't be against Gay Marriage. Someone who is "Very Liberal" wouldn't have been this patient with Wall Street. I don't think someone who is "Very Liberal" would have gone kissing Pastor Rick's fat ass. What he's been is very optimistic about Republicans being willing to work with him(again, wouldn't of ever happened if he was "Very Liberal".) Hopefully, he's been burned enough, n' gets his head out of his ass.

[miraja2]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

He's not "Very Liberal," but a lot of you folks are Very Conservative. Combine you being Very Conservative with him being a Black Male, and (regardless of his policies etc.) it's amazing how left you think he is. Seems like someone who is "Very Liberal" wouldn't be against Gay Marriage. Someone who is "Very Liberal" wouldn't have been this patient with Wall Street. I don't think someone who is "Very Liberal" would have gone kissing Pastor Rick's fat ass. What he's been is very optimistic about Republicans being willing to work with him(again, wouldn't of ever happened if he was "Very Liberal".) Hopefully, he's been burned enough, n' gets his head out of his ass.

Good luck man. You are 100% correct about this, but it is nearly impossible to make conservatives see that those of us who actually ARE very liberal would not classify the Obama administration as such. The administration is left of center for sure - and Obama personally might actually be very liberal - but his administration has not governed that way.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

He's not "Very Liberal," but a lot of you folks are Very Conservative. Combine you being Very Conservative with him being a Black Male, and (regardless of his policies etc.) it's amazing how left you think he is. Seems like someone who is "Very Liberal" wouldn't be against Gay Marriage. Someone who is "Very Liberal" wouldn't have been this patient with Wall Street. I don't think someone who is "Very Liberal" would have gone kissing Pastor Rick's fat ass. What he's been is very optimistic about Republicans being willing to work with him(again, wouldn't of ever happened if he was "Very Liberal".) Hopefully, he's been burned enough, n' gets his head out of his ass.

He could give as much a crap about gay marriage as he does about bringing home troops. This guy is all about control. Everything from retirement to healthcare to banking to who gives what in an election. Not to mention cows, SUVS, clunkers, mortgages, executive bonuses, etc etc......

What suprises me is the patience the dem party has displayed in that OB hasn't brought back any troops in fact he's increased them (in the two wars he was going to end) Gitmo still open, gays still can't marry, unemployment not only over 8% but 10% but hopefully everyone took part in cash for clunkers and not just junk yards and dealers in cahoots.

Best statement last night that brought bi-partisanship laughter was when he said he was going to freeze spending, just not this year and that's how budgets work.
Priceless for a 12yr wanting a new video game or a crack whore needing a fix but from the Pres of the U.S.?

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

He could give as much a crap about gay marriage as he does about bringing home troops.

Yep, and that's just 2 of the reasons why the poll response above is INCORRECT IN DESCRIBING HIM AS VERY LIBERAL.

[Danzig]

he's not very liberal. it's why some of his fellow democrats are very unhappy with him. he's too liberal for any real conservative, but anyone who isn't to the right is 'too liberal' for them. if he was very liberal, then he would have already done away with don't ask, don't tell. he wouldnt' be asking for a spending freeze in most depts, while leaving defense alone.
this is why i shake my head when people start tossing out labels. generally, they are incorrect. just because obama is a democrat, doesn't mean he's liberal. the two don't necessarily go together. many credit clinton with the successes he had because he ruled from the center, which is where most people reside.
another example-the south generally has dems in local offices and congress-yet they generally vote republican in the national elections. kerry didn't win down here, and certainly neither did obama. folks here are pro-union (democrats lean that way) but they are for gun rights, and are generally anti-abortion and are religious. certainly aren't your 'typical' democrats. a democrat in massachusetts doesn't resemble one from california, and neither resemble one from here. it's why the two parties have such difficulty appealing to everyone-their agendas don't match everyone everywhere. yet they always expect their dems or reps to strictly vote party line-which engenders distrust and voting the opposite party in when they get angry-such as in mass. truly, independents rule these days-they aren't beholden to either party and don't vote just because 'well, i'm a dem, and he/she's a dem, so there's my vote'. i've voted for more democrats over the years than republicans, yet those on the left (such as scuds) accuse me of being a rep, while those on the far right say i'm too liberal. 'they' both get angry because i'm not on either ones side.-but don't realize that's true for many.

[AeWingnut]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

He's not "Very Liberal," but a lot of you folks are Very Conservative. Combine you being Very Conservative with him being a Black Male, and (regardless of his policies etc.) it's amazing how left you think he is. Seems like someone who is "Very Liberal" wouldn't be against Gay Marriage. Someone who is "Very Liberal" wouldn't have been this patient with Wall Street. I don't think someone who is "Very Liberal" would have gone kissing Pastor Rick's fat ass. What he's been is very optimistic about Republicans being willing to work with him(again, wouldn't of ever happened if he was "Very Liberal".) Hopefully, he's been burned enough, n' gets his head out of his ass.

I think there has been a "shifting baseline" in what is considered conservative. replace conservative with Liberty and liberal with Tyranny

notice I didn't say "Republican or Dem" although I am not aware of any dem being conserative there are way too many republicans that are not.

The federal government has no more power to outlaw health insurance than they do to force it down our throats.

As for your race comment - race is irrelevant. Do you believe anyone that voted for Obama will vote for this guy?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VP2p91dvm6M

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by AeWingnut

As for your race comment - race is irrelevant. Do you believe anyone that voted for Obama will vote for this guy?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VP2p91dvm6M

Race is not irrelevant. Many Blacks voted for him, because he was Black. Many Whites hate him far more than they would a White Dem with the same exact views. The guy in the video says "The Constitution says.." O.K., Right Away I know that's most likely an unfair person. 33% of Americans get an 8%say in whether that Healthcare Bill got through the Senate. That's due to the crap in the Constitution. It's biased. If your quoting it, then most likely you're for bias against some Americans. If you're quoting it with love, then you're often( but not always) backing the unfairness within it.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

Race is not irrelevant. Many Blacks voted for him, because he was Black. Many Whites hate him far more than they would a White Dem with the same exact views. The guy in the video says "The Constitution says.." O.K., Right Away I know that's most likely an unfair person. 33% of Americans get an 8%say in whether that Healthcare Bill got through the Senate. That's due to the crap in the Constitution. It's biased. If your quoting it, then most likely you're for bias against some Americans. If you're quoting it with love, then you're often( but not always) backing the unfairness within it.

lol
it's only biased when you disagree with something that has happened. was it biased when they used it to give blacks the right to vote? or women? was it biased when slaveowners had to give up that practice? segregation? prayer in schools? whenever the minorities rights are protected altho many think 'majority rules'?
as for the most recent supreme court ruling allowing corporations and unions (something you see virtually no mention of) the ability to spend money on advertising, the rules that were in place regarding foreign entities, and regarding donations directly to pols are still in place.

this is from factcheck.org, excerpted from their article about his state of the union address:

Foreign Corporations Donating?

The president claimed that "foreign corporations" could begin spending big money to influence U.S. elections under a recent Supreme Court decision.

Obama: Last week the Supreme Court reversed a century of law that I believe will open the floodgates for special interests –- including foreign corporations –- to spend without limit in our elections.

Justice Samuel Alito, who with the other justices sat at the very front of the chamber last night, was seen shaking his head and mouthing what appeared to be the words "not true" as Obama said this. Alito joined the majority in the 5-4 Citizens United v. Federal Election Commission decision issued by the Court last week, which knocked down restrictions on corporate spending on elections.

But it’s unclear whether the court’s opinion will lead to allowing foreign-based corporations to buy campaign ads and engage in other electioneering activities. There is still a law barring foreign corporations from spending money in connection with U.S. elections (see 2 U.S.C. 441e(b)(3)), and that’s a matter likely to be litigated further. The court’s most recent decision explicitly didn’t deal with that question. But strictly speaking, Obama couched his claim as something "I believe," making it a statement of opinion and not of fact. So whether his view turns out to be right remains to be seen.

[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

Race is not irrelevant. Many Blacks voted for him, because he was Black. Many Whites hate him far more than they would a White Dem with the same exact views. The guy in the video says "The Constitution says.." O.K., Right Away I know that's most likely an unfair person. 33% of Americans get an 8%say in whether that Healthcare Bill got through the Senate. That's due to the crap in the Constitution. It's biased. If your quoting it, then most likely you're for bias against some Americans. If you're quoting it with love, then you're often( but not always) backing the unfairness within it.

that's ridiculous!

[AeWingnut]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

Race is not irrelevant. Many Blacks voted for him, because he was Black. Many Whites hate him far more than they would a White Dem with the same exact views. The guy in the video says "The Constitution says.." O.K., Right Away I know that's most likely an unfair person. 33% of Americans get an 8%say in whether that Healthcare Bill got through the Senate. That's due to the crap in the Constitution. It's biased. If your quoting it, then most likely you're for bias against some Americans. If you're quoting it with love, then you're often( but not always) backing the unfairness within it.

I don't understand how the constitution is racist. I am biased against leftist commie statist. I guess now that makes me a woman hater